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On Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:37:56 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:
>
>  Am 15.08.2012 15:33, schrieb la gleki:
> =20
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:04:33 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:=20
>>
>>  Am 15.08.2012 14:35, schrieb la gleki:
>> =20
>> I couldn't reply to the post=EF=BF=BD<https://groups.google.com/d/topic/=
lojban/e1QaF7iQv1o/discussion>(due=20
>> to server error every time i tried to send my reply)=EF=BF=BDso I'm crea=
ting=20
>> another topic.=20
>>
>>  This is really an interesting question.
>> *Any* ideas of how to express "any" in Lojban?
>> I can clearly feel the difference between "any" and "each/every/all"=20
>> ({ro}) but I can't describe it.
>> =20
>>
>> Logically, "any" is su'o/ro/no:
>> mi na ponse [su'o] da=EF=BF=BD (same as mi ponse no da)
>> I don't have anything.
>>
>> xu do ponse [su'o] da
>> Do you possess anything?
>>
>> For the sentence in question ("Which book do you want?" =EF=BF=BD "I'll =
take=20
>> any"), you can also use su'o:
>> A: ma poi cukta cu jai se djica do
>> B: su'o boi cy / su'o lo cukta
>>
>> The emphasis seems different, which is why I personally like to use {ma=
=20
>> kau} for some of these cases.
>> mi djica lo nu klama ma kau
>> I want to go wherever
>> =20
> The same for "anywhere,=EF=BF=BDanytime,=EF=BF=BDanyway"?
>
>
> All those things are the same thing, just in different sumti places. You=
=20
> can say=20
> mi citka ma kau
> mi citka ca ma kau
> mi citka bu'u ma kau
> mi citka ta'i ma kau
> mi citka tai ma kau
> etc.
>
> This is just something I do, I don't know who else would accept such usag=
e.
>
For me the issue is closed.

Anyway, this is how I can define "any".

*- What do you want to eat?*
*- Anything (=3D"every random selection would do")*

If anybody doesn't like la selpa'i's (although he is beloved by default)=20
solution please post about it anytime anywhere anyhow.
(gosh, too much play on word)

>
> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
>
> --=20
> pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo
>
> =20

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<br><br>On Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:37:56 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:<bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-l=
eft: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
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  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
    <div>Am 15.08.2012 15:33, schrieb la gleki:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite"><br>
      <br>
      On Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:04:33 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:
      <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
        <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
          <div><tt>Am 15.08.2012 14:35, schrieb la gleki:<br>
            </tt></div>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><tt>I couldn't reply to the <a href=3D"=
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/e1QaF7iQv1o/discussion" target=3D"=
_blank">post=EF=BF=BD</a>(due to server error every time
              i tried to send my reply)=EF=BF=BDso I'm creating another top=
ic.</tt>
            <div><tt><br>
              </tt></div>
            <div>
              <div><tt>This is really an interesting question.</tt></div>
              <div><tt>*Any* ideas of how to express "any" in Lojban?</tt><=
/div>
              <div><tt>I can clearly feel the difference between "any"
                  and "each/every/all" ({ro}) but I can't describe it.</tt>=
</div>
            </div>
          </blockquote>
          <tt><br>
            Logically, "any" is su'o/ro/no:<br>
            mi na ponse [su'o] da=EF=BF=BD (same as mi ponse no da)<br>
            I don't have anything.<br>
            <br>
            xu do ponse [su'o] da<br>
            Do you possess anything?<br>
            <br>
            For the sentence in question ("Which book do you want?" =EF=BF=
=BD
            "I'll take any"), you can also use su'o:<br>
            A: ma poi cukta cu jai se djica do<br>
            B: su'o boi cy / su'o lo cukta<br>
            <br>
            The emphasis seems different, which is why I personally like
            to use {ma kau} for some of these cases.<br>
            mi djica lo nu klama ma kau<br>
            I want to go wherever<br>
          </tt></div>
      </blockquote>
      <div>The same for "anywhere,=EF=BF=BDanytime,=EF=BF=BD<wbr>anyway"?</=
div>
    </blockquote>
    <tt><br>
      All those things are the same thing, just in different sumti
      places. You can say <br>
      mi citka ma kau<br>
      mi citka ca ma kau<br>
      mi citka bu'u ma kau<br>
      mi citka ta'i ma kau<br>
      mi citka tai ma kau<br>
      etc.<br>
      <br>
      This is just something I do, I don't know who else would accept
      such usage.<br></tt></div></blockquote><div>For me the issue is close=
d.</div><div><br></div><div>Anyway, this is how I can define "any".<br></di=
v><div><br></div><div><b>- What do you want to eat?</b></div><div><b>- Anyt=
hing (=3D"every random selection would do")</b></div><div><br></div><div>If=
 anybody doesn't like la selpa'i's (although he is beloved by default) solu=
tion please post about it anytime anywhere anyhow.</div><div>(gosh, too muc=
h play on word)</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;m=
argin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgco=
lor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"><tt>
      <br>
      mu'o mi'e la selpa'i</tt><br>
    <pre cols=3D"72">--=20
pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo</pre></=
div></blockquote><div>&nbsp;</div>

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