Well, {ma = kau} marks an indirect question and in this usage there seems to be nothing= either indirect or a question. "Any" in English is a context leaper = universal quantifier. Placed within the scope of a negation (includin= g a conditional antecedent) or a question (a probably some others) it funct= ions as a universal over the whole (outside the question or negation or con= ditional). Provided some conditions are met (slightly different in each cas= e), it functions equally well as a particular quantifier within the the com= plex.

"I any boy comes, the girls will be= happy" =3D either "If some boy comes, all the girls will be happy" or "For= every boy x, if x comes the girls will be happy" (note, this will no= t work with "If any boy comes, the girls will dance with him", since the condition is that the scope of the "any" is confined to the antecedent.&nb= sp; This has to be "For every boy x, if x comes, all the girls will dance w= ith x". The best way to do this in Lojban is in some dispute.) =

"Do you have anything" =3D either "Do you have = something?" or "For every x, do you have x?"

"I don'= t have anything" =3D either "It is not the case I have something" or "For e= very x, it is not the case I have x"

From: selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de= >
To: lojban@google= groups.com
Sent: Wedn= esday, August 15, 2012 8:37 AM
Subject:= Re: [lojban] "Any" and {ro}

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Am 15.08.2012 15:33, schrieb= la gleki:

On Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:04:33 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:

Am 15.08.2012 14:35, schrieb la gleki:

I couldn't reply to the post (due to server error every time i tried to send my reply) so I'm creating another topic.=

This is really an interesting question.

*Any* ideas of how to express "any" in Lojban?<= /div>
I can clearly feel the difference between "any" and "each/every/all" ({ro}) but I can't describe it.=

Logically, "any" is su'o/ro/no: mi na ponse [su'o] da (same as mi ponse no da) I don't have anything. xu do ponse [su'o] da Do you possess anything? For the sentence in question ("Which book do you want?" =97 "I'll take any"), you can also use su'o: A: ma poi cukta cu jai se djica do B: su'o boi cy / su'o lo cukta The emphasis seems different, which is why I personally like to use {ma kau} for some of these cases. mi djica lo nu klama ma kau I want to go wherever

The same for "anywhere, anytime, anyway"?

All those things are the same thing, just in different sumti places. You can say mi citka ma kau mi citka ca ma kau mi citka bu'u ma kau mi citka ta'i ma kau mi citka tai ma kau etc. This is just something I do, I don't know who else would accept such usage. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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