Received: from mail-ey0-f189.google.com ([209.85.215.189]:51006) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T1fC7-00077b-Su; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 08:07:48 -0700 Received: by eaan13 with SMTP id n13sf511906eaa.16 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 08:07:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authenticated:x-provags-id:message-id :date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-y-gmx-trusted:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=CWycN5dSCYODRNSZ/dHeO1iaw2vrgue81EOiK7RtzHk=; b=xno1qfPbg3pO6cxovOb6OI9l3RMURVMErV8ddacpXBkSCf326oC11Di+9UpyjnTywn FVVzNHLB3o6U0qiyzO5fBmBS1m5nLSlMyv7CYdJvvaKxPqhfd0oMrES+k8HNpk5tmOrK xm9HdvKHnlyeeFKkGqQzO5OA+rs2u1hdbR+1s= Received: by 10.216.30.211 with SMTP id k61mr348701wea.30.1345043249974; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 08:07:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.201.22 with SMTP id a22ls1826768weo.5.gmail; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 08:07:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.24.135 with SMTP id u7mr2925699wif.3.1345043249232; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 08:07:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.24.135 with SMTP id u7mr2925698wif.3.1345043249220; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 08:07:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net. [213.165.64.23]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id bb7si3344824wib.2.2012.08.15.08.07.29; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 08:07:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.23 as permitted sender) client-ip=213.165.64.23; Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Aug 2012 15:07:28 -0000 Received: from p57A08DDA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.1.33]) [87.160.141.218] by mail.gmx.net (mp019) with SMTP; 15 Aug 2012 17:07:28 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/WGXNMz8DW2eU1jpyKNRiBsI0GJ+zWMdtkmBFQeV Br1JWYa9BKgIH5 Message-ID: <502BBB2E.5080307@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 17:07:26 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] "Any" and {ro} References: <44e6fb5c-91f3-47ba-817c-8560c9c6ca14@googlegroups.com> <502B9E61.8060808@gmx.de> <502BA634.3030007@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.23 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Am 15.08.2012 16:05, schrieb tijlan: > That wouldn't work consistently with {du'u}. According to that > interpretation, one would have > > do djuno lo du'u mi citka ma kau > You know that I eat anything. > > do djuno lo du'u mi djica lo nu klama ma kau > You know that I want to go wherever Yes, the first example I gave isn't good. The point of this ma kau is that it appears outside of an abstraction, but of course what you show is still a problem. The usage of that ma kau would be limited to outside of abstractions. Am 15.08.2012 16:26, schrieb John E Clifford: > Well, {ma kau} marks an indirect question and in this usage there > seems to be nothing either indirect or a question. Well, I'm not sure that's true. Many natlangs use a Wh-question word for this construction. French has n'importe ou/quoi/qui etc, English has whatever/wherever, German has wo auch immer, wer auch immer, sonstwo... So maybe there really is a hint of a question there, if just in that the speaker indirectly talks about the possible answer without saying what it is. For the other meanings of any, su'o/ro/no is still the way to go, but I don't think anybody argues with that anyway. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.