Oh! So {ma= kau} could come from "I don't care where I go" or some such, which is rela= ted practically, if not obviously linguistically to "any where". OK, = but it doesn't he;lp much with "anywhere" itself.

From:<= /b> John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>
To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" <lojban@googleg= roups.com>
Sent: W= ednesday, August 15, 2012 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] "Any" and {ro}

=

I wouldn't want to make too much of interrogative pronouns in IE lan= guages, since they are notoriously shifty (collapsing with relatives in one= direction, for example). In a logical language, it is to be presumed= that the roles is unmistakable. One might make a case that an "anywhere" a= nswer to "Where are you going/ do you want to go?" somehow is derived from = a sentence still in the question frame work (one member -- or all the membe= rs -- of the set of answers, I suppose). But such an extraction in Lo= jban should require some surface evidence and {ma kau}, at least, evidences= the wrong kind of motion. I'm not sure what might work.

From: selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] "Any" and = {ro}

Am 15.08.2012 16:05, schrieb tijlan:
> That wouldn't work consistentl= y with {du'u}. According to that
> interpretation, one would have
= >
> do djuno lo du'u mi citka ma kau
> &= nbsp; You know that I eat anything.
>
> do djuno = lo du'u mi djica lo nu klama ma kau
> You know that I wa= nt to go wherever

Yes, the first example I gave isn't good. The poin= t of this ma kau is that it appears outside of an abstraction, but of cours= e what you show is still a problem. The usage of that ma kau would be limit= ed to outside of abstractions.

Am 15.08.2012 16:26, schrieb John E C= lifford:
> Well, {ma kau} marks an indirect question and in this usag= e there seems to be nothing either indirect or a question.

Well, I'= m not sure that's true. Many natlangs use a Wh-question word for this const= ruction. French has n'importe ou/quoi/qui etc, English has whatever/wherever, German has wo auch immer, wer auch immer, sonstwo... So= maybe there really is a hint of a question there, if just in that the spea= ker indirectly talks about the possible answer without saying what it is.
For the other meanings of any, su'o/ro/no is still the way to go, but= I don't think anybody argues with that anyway.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i=

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