Received: from mail-wi0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]:36478) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T1mWW-0002vF-2i; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:57:19 -0700 Received: by wibhr14 with SMTP id hr14sf33315wib.16 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:57:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=wsNT25ChYjG/m+jGsPzgIeptd+aSlKxIWFUcnNQ3+Rg=; b=s6L1yrIDlZHf2d7HakMXv8h/3MlC3mhNuV3dcWso8JodMcOtzu4tKrXj+s+MX5tyS+ n9BCkTVbJWqoRQxvQjfAUsITwlLg+LUHU9xc+H9gYJNl0szuIY4qrLXrZVbNFKTI76OY Rab8lD7fkVvWEHzmD9mdcZ2+gkyUL1oeHNHFo= Received: by 10.216.134.13 with SMTP id r13mr318017wei.18.1345071421567; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:57:01 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.201.22 with SMTP id a22ls2346733weo.5.gmail; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.72.205 with SMTP id f13mr44600wiv.4.1345071420702; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.72.205 with SMTP id f13mr44599wiv.4.1345071420676; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-f169.google.com (mail-wi0-f169.google.com [209.85.212.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id em7si51401wib.2.2012.08.15.15.57.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.169; Received: by wibhm2 with SMTP id hm2so99324wib.4 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:57:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.236.38 with SMTP id v38mr11679818weq.222.1345071420458; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.195.211 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:57:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <77211d13-c711-4090-a557-89358261ec6e@p5g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:57:00 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Global languages by lojban From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd4d59036c7ce04c755d824 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --000e0cd4d59036c7ce04c755d824 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well, basically, he's saying there's a lot of languages, but Lojban is the standard one by which all should be measured, or something like that. He then goes on to say that we should, in every language, transpose the place structure of Lojban's "verbs" to the "verbs" of all the other languages. I'm not sure if he means to translate Lojban's definitions into the other languages so everyone can learn Lojban, or if he means to make it so that all languages are Lojban, just with their own words for stuff (, i.e. Lojban is "mi dunda lo karce do", Engban would be "i give lo car you"). Then he says don't whine about how much work it would be, because reading is fun. What gets me is that everything this guy says is always either completely unintelligible or wrong. On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:49 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> Actually, I did understand this one. > > > Me, not so much. I've been toying with the idea of creating a buroq file > for all his comments. Just for laughs. Or oblivion. Although deletion is > better for oblivion. > > stevo > >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:05 PM, ianek wrote: >> >>> In before everybody complain that they don't understand zo'o >>> >>> mu'o mi'e ianek >>> >>> On 15 Sie, 17:44, "buroq_...@yahoo.co.uk" >>> wrote: >>> > coi >>> > >>> > there is about 6000 languages, standard one is lojban, but the true to >>> > involove other languages in it because all of them is nation culture >>> > and the past should not be forrgetten. >>> > >>> > yes, that appear numerous but this is the right. >>> > >>> > now I can suggest the follow: >>> > >>> > lojban standard bridi structure is >>> > >>> > X1 verb X2 X3 X4 X5 >>> > >>> > where we can obtain any discheaged word by knowing all verbs in all >>> > languages and then discharge by language principle, so we can put any >>> > word in X1 or verb or X2 or X3 or X4 or X5 only we need to know the >>> > verbs and discharge principles. we can put non-lojbanic verbs as >>> > synonym to lojban verbs. we find the verbs in dictionaries. >>> > >>> > no need to grumbling, reading is fun, and when we finish learning we >>> > will not stop reading we will continue to read newspapers and >>> > magazines. >>> > >>> > co'o >>> > ki'es,di'es >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --000e0cd4d59036c7ce04c755d824 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, basically, he's saying there's a lot of languages, but Lojban= is the standard one by which all should be measured, or something like tha= t.

He then goes on to say that we should, in every language, transpo= se the place structure of Lojban's "verbs" to the "verbs= " of all the other languages.

I'm not sure if he means to translate Lojban's definitions into= the other languages so everyone can learn Lojban, or if he means to make i= t so that all languages are Lojban, just with their own words for stuff (, = i.e. Lojban is "mi dunda lo karce do", Engban would be "i gi= ve lo car you").

Then he says don't whine about how much work it would be, because r= eading is fun.

What gets me is that everything this guy says is alwa= ys either completely unintelligible or wrong.

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:49 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>= wrote:


On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 a= t 4:37 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually, I did understand this one.

= Me, not so much. I've been toying with the idea of creating a buroq fil= e for all his comments. Just for laughs. Or oblivion. Although deletion is = better for oblivion.=A0

stevo=A0


On Wed, Aug 15, = 2012 at 2:05 PM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:
In before everybody complain that they don&#= 39;t understand zo'o

mu'o mi'e ianek

On 15 Sie, 17:44, "buroq_...@yahoo.co.uk" <buroq_...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
> coi
>
> there is about 6000 languages, standard one is lojban, but the true to=
> involove other languages in it because all of them is nation culture > and the past should not be forrgetten.
>
> yes, that appear numerous but this is the right.
>
> now I can suggest the follow:
>
> lojban standard bridi structure is
>
> X1 verb X2 X3 X4 X5
>
> where we can obtain any discheaged word by knowing all verbs in all > languages and then discharge by language principle, so we can put any<= br> > word in X1 or verb or X2 or X3 or X4 or X5 only we need to know the > verbs and discharge principles. we can put non-lojbanic verbs as
> synonym to lojban verbs. we find the verbs in dictionaries.
>
> no need to grumbling, reading is fun, and when we finish learning we > will not stop reading we will continue to read newspapers and
> magazines.
>
> co'o
> ki'es,di'es

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