Received: from mail-vb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:42212) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T1mdl-000342-C9; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:05:06 -0700 Received: by vbzb23 with SMTP id b23sf2241822vbz.16 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:04:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=JMa4X3SNl9+5yeV0qTdacOe+kaCuh4jxdUj3ZjgKL64=; b=IokyLPSiZE0piyDaSncLel1WDRTKg5djc+eGHDc0oGY4b5UiUyiEmCy5b4NIt/Z4Kj o5Caq1gmXcUIQkCWLWuZ7wTdGHrfU3AiwOqKn3LJFUCoegjx51ThB+F1O1eU2/8w/CWy k9Reom3jorqlVOCodrVf1+xcxg/sX8FIkCXSU= Received: by 10.236.185.98 with SMTP id t62mr4270382yhm.7.1345071873950; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:04:33 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.126.33 with SMTP id a21ls4544037yhi.3.gmail; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.79.100 with SMTP id h64mr12057158yhe.1.1345071873171; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.79.100 with SMTP id h64mr12057157yhe.1.1345071873144; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gg0-f181.google.com (mail-gg0-f181.google.com [209.85.161.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q2si755090yhi.5.2012.08.15.16.04.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.181; Received: by mail-gg0-f181.google.com with SMTP id b6so2759515ggm.40 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.237.38 with SMTP id uz6mr224639igc.2.1345071872912; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:04:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.20.11 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:04:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <77211d13-c711-4090-a557-89358261ec6e@p5g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 19:04:02 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Global languages by lojban To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0447882f2eaea304c755f300 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d0447882f2eaea304c755f300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Well, basically, he's saying there's a lot of languages, but Lojban is the > standard one by which all should be measured, or something like that. > > He then goes on to say that we should, in every language, transpose the > place structure of Lojban's "verbs" to the "verbs" of all the other > languages. > > I'm not sure if he means to translate Lojban's definitions into the other > languages so everyone can learn Lojban, or if he means to make it so that > all languages are Lojban, just with their own words for stuff (, i.e. > Lojban is "mi dunda lo karce do", Engban would be "i give lo car you"). > > Then he says don't whine about how much work it would be, because reading > is fun. > > What gets me is that everything this guy says is always either completely > unintelligible or wrong. I got roughly the same gist as you. stevo > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:49 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >>> Actually, I did understand this one. >> >> >> Me, not so much. I've been toying with the idea of creating a buroq file >> for all his comments. Just for laughs. Or oblivion. Although deletion is >> better for oblivion. >> >> stevo >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:05 PM, ianek wrote: >>> >>>> In before everybody complain that they don't understand zo'o >>>> >>>> mu'o mi'e ianek >>>> >>>> On 15 Sie, 17:44, "buroq_...@yahoo.co.uk" >>>> wrote: >>>> > coi >>>> > >>>> > there is about 6000 languages, standard one is lojban, but the true to >>>> > involove other languages in it because all of them is nation culture >>>> > and the past should not be forrgetten. >>>> > >>>> > yes, that appear numerous but this is the right. >>>> > >>>> > now I can suggest the follow: >>>> > >>>> > lojban standard bridi structure is >>>> > >>>> > X1 verb X2 X3 X4 X5 >>>> > >>>> > where we can obtain any discheaged word by knowing all verbs in all >>>> > languages and then discharge by language principle, so we can put any >>>> > word in X1 or verb or X2 or X3 or X4 or X5 only we need to know the >>>> > verbs and discharge principles. we can put non-lojbanic verbs as >>>> > synonym to lojban verbs. we find the verbs in dictionaries. >>>> > >>>> > no need to grumbling, reading is fun, and when we finish learning we >>>> > will not stop reading we will continue to read newspapers and >>>> > magazines. >>>> > >>>> > co'o >>>> > ki'es,di'es >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Jonatha= n Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, basically, he's saying there's a lot of languages, but Lojban= is the standard one by which all should be measured, or something like tha= t.

He then goes on to say that we should, in every language, transpo= se the place structure of Lojban's "verbs" to the "verbs= " of all the other languages.

I'm not sure if he means to translate Lojban's definitions into= the other languages so everyone can learn Lojban, or if he means to make i= t so that all languages are Lojban, just with their own words for stuff (, = i.e. Lojban is "mi dunda lo karce do", Engban would be "i gi= ve lo car you").

Then he says don't whine about how much work it would be, because r= eading is fun.

What gets me is that everything this guy says is alwa= ys either completely unintelligible or wrong.

I got roughly the same gist as you.=A0

stevo= =A0


On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:49 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>= wrote:


On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Jo= nathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually, I did understand this one.

= Me, not so much. I've been toying with the idea of creating a buroq fil= e for all his comments. Just for laughs. Or oblivion. Although deletion is = better for oblivion.=A0

stevo=A0
=


On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:05 P= M, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:
In before everybody complain that they don&#= 39;t understand zo'o

mu'o mi'e ianek

On 15 Sie, 17:44, "buroq_...@yahoo.co.uk" <buroq_...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
> coi
>
> there is about 6000 languages, standard one is lojban, but the true to=
> involove other languages in it because all of them is nation culture > and the past should not be forrgetten.
>
> yes, that appear numerous but this is the right.
>
> now I can suggest the follow:
>
> lojban standard bridi structure is
>
> X1 verb X2 X3 X4 X5
>
> where we can obtain any discheaged word by knowing all verbs in all > languages and then discharge by language principle, so we can put any<= br> > word in X1 or verb or X2 or X3 or X4 or X5 only we need to know the > verbs and discharge principles. we can put non-lojbanic verbs as
> synonym to lojban verbs. we find the verbs in dictionaries.
>
> no need to grumbling, reading is fun, and when we finish learning we > will not stop reading we will continue to read newspapers and
> magazines.
>
> co'o
> ki'es,di'es

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