Received: from mail-wi0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]:34441) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T1pAV-0004EX-Cq; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 18:46:47 -0700 Received: by wibhr14 with SMTP id hr14sf56563wib.16 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 18:46:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=CZ/+NCoY1btBBGhTQJLDocxoyraTDTL6zUYuqcPlIBk=; b=egfZi3MG8YqICMhX+N6AlbAVInw5VAEMhfIwwq9jXFaYPArKL9jT2McGLGonmzNsqj RjbtbTbo1BOJGlzCTYX9XhD3gr/z/xYd9co3lsaCJb/HnAwgY2MOAObqcO4CbzRbuz1M AKo0zqJJkejCuZNeetgFv/osUaO05vB+AKUyI= Received: by 10.216.72.11 with SMTP id s11mr405999wed.80.1345081586669; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 18:46:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.103.170 with SMTP id fx10ls175080wib.0.canary; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 18:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.235.32 with SMTP id t32mr1363565weq.7.1345081585920; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 18:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.235.32 with SMTP id t32mr1363564weq.7.1345081585877; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 18:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com (mail-wi0-f178.google.com [209.85.212.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e5si132420wiw.0.2012.08.15.18.46.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 15 Aug 2012 18:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.178; Received: by wibhr14 with SMTP id hr14so179237wib.1 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 18:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.91.228 with SMTP id ch4mr1604475wib.7.1345081585243; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 18:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.77] (87-194-76-177.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.76.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k2sm1653597wiz.7.2012.08.15.18.46.20 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 15 Aug 2012 18:46:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <502C50EB.3090704@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 02:46:19 +0100 From: And Rosta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.28) Gecko/20120306 Thunderbird/3.1.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] "Any" and {ro} References: <44e6fb5c-91f3-47ba-817c-8560c9c6ca14@googlegroups.com> <502B9E61.8060808@gmx.de> <502BA634.3030007@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=and.rosta@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / tijlan, On 15/08/2012 15:05: > On 15 August 2012 14:04, selpa'i wrote: >> The emphasis seems different, which is why I personally like to use {ma = kau} >> for some of these cases. >> mi djica lo nu klama ma kau >> I want to go wherever > > On 15 August 2012 14:37, selpa'i wrote: >> All those things are the same thing, just in different sumti places. You= can >> say >> mi citka ma kau >> mi citka ca ma kau >> mi citka bu'u ma kau >> mi citka ta'i ma kau >> mi citka tai ma kau >> etc. > > That wouldn't work consistently with {du'u}. According to that > interpretation, one would have > > do djuno lo du'u mi citka ma kau > You know that I eat anything. > > do djuno lo du'u mi djica lo nu klama ma kau > You know that I want to go wherever > > , which are wrong. So "mi citka ma kau" would mean not "I eat anything" but rather "I eat what= ever it is that I eat" -- because "do djuno lo du'u mi citka ma kau" means = "Whatever it is that I eat, you know know that I eat it" =3D "You know what= I eat". That makes "mi citka ma kau" still possibly useful, but doesn't give us a w= ay to say "I eat anything". For that, I suggest "ro da su'o mu'ei ku mi cit= ka da", "ro da ka'e ku mi citka da", "I could eat anything", or else "ro da= ro mu'ei ku mi citka da", "I would eat anything". --And. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.