Received: from mail-gh0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:52103) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T1rdT-0005G3-Ms; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 21:24:55 -0700 Received: by ghbf16 with SMTP id f16sf2372448ghb.16 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 21:24:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=AqESIpIdxj9zsWaQdSO/Qs2rvo2M8lltqenDfWE3Ki0=; b=ol6AF+YwFdw8BpQ5Xyi894PW6BQ41f3jKhYiduApCjZOUBwHB+PVF+To6/AshagjGf hvjEVVAeH7sMQDeRofbOlc8PouvTdZWh94eVGloNT62lw0IIULvwBeAxtI7TRbFl+gy/ /HwL8foiY04tAkTuyAE2svEYmuP70BmIRypjc= Received: by 10.52.35.84 with SMTP id f20mr2544705vdj.3.1345091075839; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 21:24:35 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.239.208 with SMTP id kx16ls1681367vcb.8.gmail; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 21:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.91.47 with SMTP id cb15mr2756920vdb.11.1345091075113; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 21:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 21:24:34 -0700 (PDT) From: la gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <77211d13-c711-4090-a557-89358261ec6e@p5g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Global languages by lojban MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1234_26519531.1345091074497" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_1234_26519531.1345091074497 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thursday, August 16, 2012 3:04:02 AM UTC+4, stevo wrote: > > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Jonathan Jones > > wrote: > >> Well, basically, he's saying there's a lot of languages, but Lojban is >> the standard one by which all should be measured, or something like that. >> >> He then goes on to say that we should, in every language, transpose the >> place structure of Lojban's "verbs" to the "verbs" of all the other >> languages. >> >> I'm not sure if he means to translate Lojban's definitions into the other >> languages so everyone can learn Lojban, or if he means to make it so that >> all languages are Lojban, just with their own words for stuff (, i.e. >> Lojban is "mi dunda lo karce do", Engban would be "i give lo car you"). >> >> Then he says don't whine about how much work it would be, because reading >> is fun. >> >> What gets me is that everything this guy says is always either completely >> unintelligible or wrong. > > > I got roughly the same gist as you. > I thought of machine translation. If lojban is the standard for machine translation we can analyse definitions of verbs of other languages, find semantic inconsistencies with lojban and therefore improve lojbo vlaste itself according to what we find in natlangs so that lojban can serve the purpose of translation utility even better. But may be I'm misunderstanding burock again. And please do not ban him. > > stevo > >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:49 PM, MorphemeAddict >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Jonathan Jones >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Actually, I did understand this one. >>> >>> >>> Me, not so much. I've been toying with the idea of creating a buroq file >>> for all his comments. Just for laughs. Or oblivion. Although deletion is >>> better for oblivion. >>> >>> stevo >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:05 PM, ianek >wrote: >>>> >>>>> In before everybody complain that they don't understand zo'o >>>>> >>>>> mu'o mi'e ianek >>>>> >>>>> On 15 Sie, 17:44, "buroq_...@yahoo.co.uk" >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > coi >>>>> > >>>>> > there is about 6000 languages, standard one is lojban, but the true >>>>> to >>>>> > involove other languages in it because all of them is nation culture >>>>> > and the past should not be forrgetten. >>>>> > >>>>> > yes, that appear numerous but this is the right. >>>>> > >>>>> > now I can suggest the follow: >>>>> > >>>>> > lojban standard bridi structure is >>>>> > >>>>> > X1 verb X2 X3 X4 X5 >>>>> > >>>>> > where we can obtain any discheaged word by knowing all verbs in all >>>>> > languages and then discharge by language principle, so we can put any >>>>> > word in X1 or verb or X2 or X3 or X4 or X5 only we need to know the >>>>> > verbs and discharge principles. we can put non-lojbanic verbs as >>>>> > synonym to lojban verbs. we find the verbs in dictionaries. >>>>> > >>>>> > no need to grumbling, reading is fun, and when we finish learning we >>>>> > will not stop reading we will continue to read newspapers and >>>>> > magazines. >>>>> > >>>>> > co'o >>>>> > ki'es,di'es >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com >>>>> . >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> lojban+un...@googlegroups.com . >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> >>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com >>>> . >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban+un...@googlegroups.com . >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+un...@googlegroups.com . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Thursday, August 16, 2012 3:04:02 AM UTC+4, stevo wrote:

On = Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Jonathan Jones <e= ye...@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, basically, he's saying there's a lot of languages, but Lojban is the = standard one by which all should be measured, or something like that.
He then goes on to say that we should, in every language, transpose the p= lace structure of Lojban's "verbs" to the "verbs" of all the other language= s.

I'm not sure if he means to translate Lojban's definitions into the oth= er languages so everyone can learn Lojban, or if he means to make it so tha= t all languages are Lojban, just with their own words for stuff (, i.e. Loj= ban is "mi dunda lo karce do", Engban would be "i give lo car you").

Then he says don't whine about how much work it would be, because readi= ng is fun.

What gets me is that everything this guy says is always e= ither completely unintelligible or wrong.

I got roughly the same gist as you. 
I thought of machine translation. If lojban is the standard for machine tr= anslation we can analyse definitions of verbs of other languages, find sema= ntic inconsistencies with lojban and therefore improve lojbo vlaste itself = according to what we find in natlangs so that lojban can serve the purpose = of translation utility even better.

But may be I'm= misunderstanding burock again.

And please do not = ban him.

stevo 


On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:49 PM, MorphemeAddict <lyt...@gmail.com> wrote:


On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Jo= nathan Jones <eye...@gmail.com> wr= ote:
Actually, I did understand this one.

= Me, not so much. I've been toying with the idea of creating a buroq file fo= r all his comments. Just for laughs. Or oblivion. Although deletion is bett= er for oblivion. 

stevo 


On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:0= 5 PM, ianek <jan...@gmail.com> wro= te:
In before everybody complain that they don't= understand zo'o

mu'o mi'e ianek

On 15 Sie, 17:44, "buroq_...@yahoo.co.uk" <buroq_...@yahoo.co.= uk>
wrote:
> coi
>
> there is about 6000 languages, standard one is lojban, but the true to=
> involove other languages in it because all of them is nation culture > and the past should not be forrgetten.
>
> yes, that appear numerous but this is the right.
>
> now I can suggest the follow:
>
> lojban standard bridi structure is
>
> X1 verb X2 X3 X4 X5
>
> where we can obtain any discheaged word by knowing all verbs in all > languages and then discharge by language principle, so we can put any<= br> > word in X1 or verb or X2 or X3 or X4 or X5 only we need to know the > verbs and discharge principles. we can put non-lojbanic verbs as
> synonym to lojban verbs. we find the verbs in dictionaries.
>
> no need to grumbling, reading is fun, and when we finish learning we > will not stop reading we will continue to read newspapers and
> magazines.
>
> co'o
> ki'es,di'es

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