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On Thursday, August 16, 2012 5:46:19 AM UTC+4, And Rosta wrote:
>
> tijlan, On 15/08/2012 15:05: 
> > On 15 August 2012 14:04, selpa'i<sel...@gmx.de <javascript:>>  wrote: 
> >> The emphasis seems different, which is why I personally like to use {ma 
> kau} 
> >> for some of these cases. 
> >> mi djica lo nu klama ma kau 
> >> I want to go wherever 
> > 
> > On 15 August 2012 14:37, selpa'i<sel...@gmx.de <javascript:>>  wrote: 
> >> All those things are the same thing, just in different sumti places. 
> You can 
> >> say 
> >> mi citka ma kau 
> >> mi citka ca ma kau 
> >> mi citka bu'u ma kau 
> >> mi citka ta'i ma kau 
> >> mi citka tai ma kau 
> >> etc. 
> > 
> > That wouldn't work consistently with {du'u}. According to that 
> > interpretation, one would have 
> > 
> >    do djuno lo du'u mi citka ma kau 
> >    You know that I eat anything. 
> > 
> >    do djuno lo du'u mi djica lo nu klama ma kau 
> >    You know that I want to go wherever 
> > 
> > , which are wrong. 
>
> So "mi citka ma kau" would mean not "I eat anything" but rather "I eat 
> whatever it is that I eat" -- because "do djuno lo du'u mi citka ma kau" 
> means "Whatever it is that I eat, you know know that I eat it" = "You know 
> what I eat". 
>
> That makes "mi citka ma kau" still possibly useful, but doesn't give us a 
> way to say "I eat anything". For that, I suggest "ro da su'o mu'ei ku mi 
> citka da", "ro da ka'e ku mi citka da", "I could eat anything", or else "ro 
> da ro mu'ei ku mi citka da", "I would eat anything". 
>
I guess you forgot the word {zo'u}.

>
> --And. 
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<br><br>On Thursday, August 16, 2012 5:46:19 AM UTC+4, And Rosta wrote:<blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-=
left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">tijlan, On 15/08/2012 15:05:
<br>&gt; On 15 August 2012 14:04, selpa'i&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=
=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"9-hAz_AaXLMJ">sel...@gmx.de</a>&gt; &n=
bsp;wrote:
<br>&gt;&gt; The emphasis seems different, which is why I personally like t=
o use {ma kau}
<br>&gt;&gt; for some of these cases.
<br>&gt;&gt; mi djica lo nu klama ma kau
<br>&gt;&gt; I want to go wherever
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; On 15 August 2012 14:37, selpa'i&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=
=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"9-hAz_AaXLMJ">sel...@gmx.de</a>&gt; &n=
bsp;wrote:
<br>&gt;&gt; All those things are the same thing, just in different sumti p=
laces. You can
<br>&gt;&gt; say
<br>&gt;&gt; mi citka ma kau
<br>&gt;&gt; mi citka ca ma kau
<br>&gt;&gt; mi citka bu'u ma kau
<br>&gt;&gt; mi citka ta'i ma kau
<br>&gt;&gt; mi citka tai ma kau
<br>&gt;&gt; etc.
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; That wouldn't work consistently with {du'u}. According to that
<br>&gt; interpretation, one would have
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;do djuno lo du'u mi citka ma kau
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;You know that I eat anything.
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;do djuno lo du'u mi djica lo nu klama ma kau
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;You know that I want to go wherever
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; , which are wrong.
<br>
<br>So "mi citka ma kau" would mean not "I eat anything" but rather "I eat =
whatever it is that I eat" -- because "do djuno lo du'u mi citka ma kau" me=
ans "Whatever it is that I eat, you know know that I eat it" =3D "You know =
what I eat".
<br>
<br>That makes "mi citka ma kau" still possibly useful, but doesn't give us=
 a way to say "I eat anything". For that, I suggest "ro da su'o mu'ei ku mi=
 citka da", "ro da ka'e ku mi citka da", "I could eat anything", or else "r=
o da ro mu'ei ku mi citka da", "I would eat anything".
<br></blockquote><div>I guess you forgot the word {zo'u}.</div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>--And.
<br></blockquote>

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