Received: from mail-vc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]:34142) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T1uT8-0006lo-Gw; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 00:26:26 -0700 Received: by vcbfl10 with SMTP id fl10sf2484850vcb.16 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 00:26:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=6jTMMOizjUIdArIPTxwhlnRgwV4DTaMZzZb1Zp2VnOs=; b=5RvltNsvEXTAuRye+LVwuppb2NoMdlsC3XZPdF20BUoZu2QBd5uH1Opx2i6IPkFcxk 8WBdJEjYFl+GDOBBYG05da9uhdnLtTi8iAF0EtrU3h7GGpwSm6FuFTjeidfDnrT4Ndi9 FzzxO+0HdXHT7EZBRzLkU/h3TETLKPfy1+XzA= Received: by 10.50.216.161 with SMTP id or1mr144920igc.1.1345101967041; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 00:26:07 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.2.13 with SMTP id 13ls2832173ibh.1.gmail; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 00:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.52.132 with SMTP id j4mr132469icg.1.1345101966286; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 00:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.52.132 with SMTP id j4mr132468icg.1.1345101966265; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 00:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f175.google.com (mail-ob0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ev10si342148igc.2.2012.08.16.00.26.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 16 Aug 2012 00:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.175; Received: by mail-ob0-f175.google.com with SMTP id 16so3227092obc.6 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 00:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.203.101 with SMTP id kp5mr259435igc.2.1345101965965; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 00:26:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.20.11 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 00:25:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <77211d13-c711-4090-a557-89358261ec6e@p5g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 03:25:35 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Global languages by lojban To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340771de38a204c75cf48a X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --14dae9340771de38a204c75cf48a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:24 AM, la gleki wrote: > > > On Thursday, August 16, 2012 3:04:02 AM UTC+4, stevo wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >>> Well, basically, he's saying there's a lot of languages, but Lojban is >>> the standard one by which all should be measured, or something like that. >>> >>> He then goes on to say that we should, in every language, transpose the >>> place structure of Lojban's "verbs" to the "verbs" of all the other >>> languages. >>> >>> I'm not sure if he means to translate Lojban's definitions into the >>> other languages so everyone can learn Lojban, or if he means to make it so >>> that all languages are Lojban, just with their own words for stuff (, i.e. >>> Lojban is "mi dunda lo karce do", Engban would be "i give lo car you"). >>> >>> Then he says don't whine about how much work it would be, because >>> reading is fun. >>> >>> What gets me is that everything this guy says is always either >>> completely unintelligible or wrong. >> >> >> I got roughly the same gist as you. >> > I thought of machine translation. If lojban is the standard for machine > translation we can analyse definitions of verbs of other languages, find > semantic inconsistencies with lojban and therefore improve lojbo vlaste > itself according to what we find in natlangs so that lojban can serve the > purpose of translation utility even better. > > But may be I'm misunderstanding burock again. > > And please do not ban him. > >> >> If you're referring to my comment about deletion, I was talking only about me deleting my copy of his emails from my computer, not about having him banned. I also do not want him banned, at least not yet. stevo > stevo >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:49 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >>>> >>>>> Actually, I did understand this one. >>>> >>>> >>>> Me, not so much. I've been toying with the idea of creating a buroq >>>> file for all his comments. Just for laughs. Or oblivion. Although deletion >>>> is better for oblivion. >>>> >>>> stevo >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:05 PM, ianek wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In before everybody complain that they don't understand zo'o >>>>>> >>>>>> mu'o mi'e ianek >>>>>> >>>>>> On 15 Sie, 17:44, "buroq_...@yahoo.co.uk" >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > coi >>>>>> > >>>>>> > there is about 6000 languages, standard one is lojban, but the true >>>>>> to >>>>>> > involove other languages in it because all of them is nation culture >>>>>> > and the past should not be forrgetten. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > yes, that appear numerous but this is the right. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > now I can suggest the follow: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > lojban standard bridi structure is >>>>>> > >>>>>> > X1 verb X2 X3 X4 X5 >>>>>> > >>>>>> > where we can obtain any discheaged word by knowing all verbs in all >>>>>> > languages and then discharge by language principle, so we can put >>>>>> any >>>>>> > word in X1 or verb or X2 or X3 or X4 or X5 only we need to know the >>>>>> > verbs and discharge principles. we can put non-lojbanic verbs as >>>>>> > synonym to lojban verbs. we find the verbs in dictionaries. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > no need to grumbling, reading is fun, and when we finish learning we >>>>>> > will not stop reading we will continue to read newspapers and >>>>>> > magazines. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > co'o >>>>>> > ki'es,di'es >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+un...@** >>>>>> googlegroups.com. >>>>>> >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>>>>> group/lojban?hl=en . >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>>> >>>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>>>> (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:24 AM, la gle= ki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


On Thursday, August 16, 2012 3:04:02 AM UTC+4, stevo wrote:


On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Jonathan Jones <ey= e...@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, basically, he's saying there's a lot of languages, but Lojban= is the standard one by which all should be measured, or something like tha= t.

He then goes on to say that we should, in every language, transpo= se the place structure of Lojban's "verbs" to the "verbs= " of all the other languages.

I'm not sure if he means to translate Lojban's definitions into= the other languages so everyone can learn Lojban, or if he means to make i= t so that all languages are Lojban, just with their own words for stuff (, = i.e. Lojban is "mi dunda lo karce do", Engban would be "i gi= ve lo car you").

Then he says don't whine about how much work it would be, because r= eading is fun.

What gets me is that everything this guy says is alwa= ys either completely unintelligible or wrong.

I got roughly the same gist as you.=A0
<= div>I thought of machine translation. If lojban is the standard for machine= translation we can analyse definitions of verbs of other languages, find s= emantic inconsistencies with lojban and therefore improve lojbo vlaste itse= lf according to what we find in natlangs so that lojban can serve the purpo= se of translation utility even better.

But may be I'm misunderstanding burock again.
=

And please do not ban him.

<= div>If you're referring to my comment about deletion, I was talking onl= y about me deleting my copy of his emails from my computer, not about havin= g him banned. I also do not want him banned, at least not yet.=A0

stevo
=A0
stevo=A0


On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:49 PM, MorphemeAddict <ly= t...@gmail.com> wrote:


On Wed, Aug 15, 2= 012 at 4:37 PM, Jonathan Jones <eye...@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually, I did understand this one.


stevo=A0


In before= everybody complain that they don't understand zo'o

mu'o mi'e ianek

On 15 Sie, 17:44, "buroq_...@yahoo.co.uk" <buroq_...= @yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
> coi
>
> there is about 6000 languages, standard one is lojban, but the true to=
> involove other languages in it because all of them is nation culture > and the past should not be forrgetten.
>
> yes, that appear numerous but this is the right.
>
> now I can suggest the follow:
>
> lojban standard bridi structure is
>
> X1 verb X2 X3 X4 X5
>
> where we can obtain any discheaged word by knowing all verbs in all > languages and then discharge by language principle, so we can put any<= br> > word in X1 or verb or X2 or X3 or X4 or X5 only we need to know the > verbs and discharge principles. we can put non-lojbanic verbs as
> synonym to lojban verbs. we find the verbs in dictionaries.
>
> no need to grumbling, reading is fun, and when we finish learning we > will not stop reading we will continue to read newspapers and
> magazines.
>
> co'o
> ki'es,di'es

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