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The only predicate that comes to my mind when I think of "any" is {cunso}.

On Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:26:04 AM UTC+4, kamisori wrote:
>
> What about {zo'e}? i allways thought it means something like "nothing 
> specific" which is similar in meaning to anything.
> Anything means something like "of all possible answers to the question of 
> 'what is this about', i choose nothing specific"
>
> "what would you like to eat?" "nothing specific."
> .u'i I wouldnt recommend to say that to a waitor though, he might bring 
> you indeed something unspecific.
>
> "if no-specific pupil would offer himself as the culprit of this prank, 
> i wouldn't punish the whole class." =
> "if any pupil would offer himself as the culprit of this prank, i wouldn't 
> punish the whole class. "
>
> hm, im not too certain about all this.. what do you think?
>
>
> 2012/8/16 la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com <javascript:>>
>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 16, 2012 5:46:19 AM UTC+4, And Rosta wrote:
>>
>>> tijlan, On 15/08/2012 15:05: 
>>> > On 15 August 2012 14:04, selpa'i<sel...@gmx.de>  wrote: 
>>> >> The emphasis seems different, which is why I personally like to use 
>>> {ma kau} 
>>> >> for some of these cases. 
>>> >> mi djica lo nu klama ma kau 
>>> >> I want to go wherever 
>>> > 
>>> > On 15 August 2012 14:37, selpa'i<sel...@gmx.de>  wrote: 
>>> >> All those things are the same thing, just in different sumti places. 
>>> You can 
>>> >> say 
>>> >> mi citka ma kau 
>>> >> mi citka ca ma kau 
>>> >> mi citka bu'u ma kau 
>>> >> mi citka ta'i ma kau 
>>> >> mi citka tai ma kau 
>>> >> etc. 
>>> > 
>>> > That wouldn't work consistently with {du'u}. According to that 
>>> > interpretation, one would have 
>>> > 
>>> >    do djuno lo du'u mi citka ma kau 
>>> >    You know that I eat anything. 
>>> > 
>>> >    do djuno lo du'u mi djica lo nu klama ma kau 
>>> >    You know that I want to go wherever 
>>> > 
>>> > , which are wrong. 
>>>
>>> So "mi citka ma kau" would mean not "I eat anything" but rather "I eat 
>>> whatever it is that I eat" -- because "do djuno lo du'u mi citka ma kau" 
>>> means "Whatever it is that I eat, you know know that I eat it" = "You know 
>>> what I eat". 
>>>
>>> That makes "mi citka ma kau" still possibly useful, but doesn't give us 
>>> a way to say "I eat anything". For that, I suggest "ro da su'o mu'ei ku mi 
>>> citka da", "ro da ka'e ku mi citka da", "I could eat anything", or else "ro 
>>> da ro mu'ei ku mi citka da", "I would eat anything". 
>>>
>> I guess you forgot the word {zo'u}.
>>
>>>
>>> --And. 
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The only predicate that comes to my mind when I think of "any" is {cunso}.<=
br><br>On Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:26:04 AM UTC+4, kamisori wrote:<bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-l=
eft: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">What about {zo'e}? i allways though=
t it means something like "nothing specific" which is similar in meaning to=
 anything.<div>Anything means something like "of all possible answers to th=
e question of 'what is this about', i choose nothing specific"</div>

<div><br></div><div>"what would you like to eat?" "nothing specific."</div>=
<div>.u'i I wouldnt recommend to say that to a waitor though, he might brin=
g you indeed something unspecific.</div><div><br>

</div><div>"if no-specific pupil would offer himself as the culprit of this=
 prank, i&nbsp;wouldn't&nbsp;punish the whole class." =3D</div><div>"if any=
 pupil would offer himself as the culprit of this prank, i wouldn't punish =
the whole class.&nbsp;"</div>

<div><br></div><div>hm, im not too certain about all this.. what do you thi=
nk?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote">2012/8/16 la gleki <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" targ=
et=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"rExfcwmRKncJ">gleki.is...@gmail.com<=
/a>&gt;</span><br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><br><br>On Thursday, August 16, 2012 5:=
46:19 AM UTC+4, And Rosta wrote:</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
x">

<div>tijlan, On 15/08/2012 15:05:
<br></div>&gt; On 15 August 2012 14:04, selpa'i&lt;<a>sel...@gmx.de</a>&gt;=
 &nbsp;wrote:
<br><div>&gt;&gt; The emphasis seems different, which is why I personally l=
ike to use {ma kau}
<br>&gt;&gt; for some of these cases.
<br>&gt;&gt; mi djica lo nu klama ma kau
<br>&gt;&gt; I want to go wherever
<br>&gt;
<br></div>&gt; On 15 August 2012 14:37, selpa'i&lt;<a>sel...@gmx.de</a>&gt;=
 &nbsp;wrote:
<br><div>&gt;&gt; All those things are the same thing, just in different su=
mti places. You can
<br>&gt;&gt; say
<br>&gt;&gt; mi citka ma kau
<br>&gt;&gt; mi citka ca ma kau
<br>&gt;&gt; mi citka bu'u ma kau
<br>&gt;&gt; mi citka ta'i ma kau
<br>&gt;&gt; mi citka tai ma kau
<br>&gt;&gt; etc.
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; That wouldn't work consistently with {du'u}. According to that
<br>&gt; interpretation, one would have
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;do djuno lo du'u mi citka ma kau
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;You know that I eat anything.
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;do djuno lo du'u mi djica lo nu klama ma kau
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;You know that I want to go wherever
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; , which are wrong.
<br>
<br>So "mi citka ma kau" would mean not "I eat anything" but rather "I eat =
whatever it is that I eat" -- because "do djuno lo du'u mi citka ma kau" me=
ans "Whatever it is that I eat, you know know that I eat it" =3D "You know =
what I eat".
<br>
<br>That makes "mi citka ma kau" still possibly useful, but doesn't give us=
 a way to say "I eat anything". For that, I suggest "ro da su'o mu'ei ku mi=
 citka da", "ro da ka'e ku mi citka da", "I could eat anything", or else "r=
o da ro mu'ei ku mi citka da", "I would eat anything".
<br></div></blockquote><div>I guess you forgot the word {zo'u}.</div><div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>--And.
<br></blockquote>

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