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On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 1:22 AM, djandus <jandew@gmail.com> wrote:

> latro`a convinced me that we'd actually need two words, because {to'e
>> gutni} wouldn't be "rotate opposite-of-ccw', but "opposite of [rotate
>> ccw]", which doesn't make sense.
>>
> I'm still rather against having two words, because there is a second way
> to negate it other than {to'e gutni} -- "negate" the direction place to
> point in the opposite direction.
>
> I support that option because the main argument I hear for having two
> words is "well, we have the symmetry in all the spatial gismu, so shouldn't
> we have that here, too?" to which I say, we have that symmetry in the
> spatial gismu *so that we don't need it here.* In other words, because we
> were nice and thorough in the normal linear spatials, that means once we
> reduce rotation to require a linear spatial direction, we know we can
> express every option properly, with easy "negations" or swappings to the
> opposite.
>

My argument against what you're talking about has nothing to do with
symmetry. I don't think something that can only have two values deserves a
whole place of it's own. gismu space is big, two words won't dent it.


> If you want to say it rotates clockwise viewed from the right, why not say
> it rotates counter-clockwise from the left? etc. In what situation do you
> *need* to express one rotary direction from the other? (Also, if you're
> really desparate, you could directly negate the direction place with
> {na'ebo})
>
> mu'o mi'e djos
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 1:22 AM, djandus <span d=
ir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jandew@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jandew=
@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margi=
n-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><div>latro`a convinced me that we&#39;d actually need two words, =
because {to&#39;e gutni} wouldn&#39;t be &quot;rotate opposite-of-ccw&#39;,=
 but &quot;opposite of [rotate ccw]&quot;, which doesn&#39;t make sense.<br=
>
</div></div></blockquote></div><div>I&#39;m still rather against having two=
 words, because there is a second way to negate it other than {to&#39;e gut=
ni} -- &quot;negate&quot; the direction place to point in the opposite dire=
ction.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I support that option because the main argument I hear =
for having two words is &quot;well, we have the symmetry in all the spatial=
 gismu, so shouldn&#39;t we have that here, too?&quot; to which I say, we h=
ave that symmetry in the spatial gismu <i>so that we don&#39;t need it here=
.</i>=A0In other words, because we were nice and thorough in the normal lin=
ear spatials, that means once we reduce rotation to require a linear spatia=
l direction, we know we can express every option properly, with easy &quot;=
negations&quot; or swappings to the opposite.</div>
</blockquote><div><br>My argument against what you&#39;re talking about has=
 nothing to do with symmetry. I don&#39;t think something that can only hav=
e two values deserves a whole place of it&#39;s own. gismu space is big, tw=
o words won&#39;t dent it.<br>
=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div></div><div>If you want to say =
it rotates clockwise viewed from the right, why not say it rotates counter-=
clockwise from the left? etc. In what situation do you <i>need</i>=A0to exp=
ress one rotary direction from the other? (Also, if you&#39;re really despa=
rate, you could directly negate the direction place with {na&#39;ebo})</div=
>
<div class=3D"im"><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e djos</div>

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