Received: from mail-fa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]:34965) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T2LbX-00063I-Aw; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 05:24:49 -0700 Received: by fada11 with SMTP id a11sf672252fad.16 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 05:24:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authenticated:x-provags-id:message-id :date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-y-gmx-trusted:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=vFlnvvkLfYhis+RCeN6q52zuz6hdoRgpEFwT1p2R230=; b=f50Tx8K98K/C3P5w9yFddPfAanvKdjAdSZmK4fu368VmBsDSht/epoeAO/Zz+DyRYQ D4v/IkuILOIINpwuDU6llWHNzzeAWw6o6Xp7ftRIylrcNrevSlY58r6E8aYkwKicqhL+ 4HwXhAYxF8nsamB0MQqLt44l9W78iF1x6VG5c= Received: by 10.180.109.136 with SMTP id hs8mr102769wib.4.1345206275233; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 05:24:35 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.212.2 with SMTP id x2ls4181905weo.2.gmail; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 05:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.75.8 with SMTP id y8mr352199wiv.4.1345206274486; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 05:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.75.8 with SMTP id y8mr352198wiv.4.1345206274478; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 05:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net. [213.165.64.23]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id cd1si1133596wib.1.2012.08.17.05.24.34; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 05:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.23 as permitted sender) client-ip=213.165.64.23; Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 17 Aug 2012 12:24:34 -0000 Received: from p57A08E95.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.1.33]) [87.160.142.149] by mail.gmx.net (mp069) with SMTP; 17 Aug 2012 14:24:34 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/NGadESTnNoTOr5NiKlcjcpIQBKS3uTBbiKAoHd3 S/4XAKUak7sLuJ Message-ID: <502E37FF.5000500@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 14:24:31 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] {ko}, {xa'e}, {.e'u}, {e'o} References: <23861931-0238-4ac4-a76e-60a8ea1b4d75@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.23 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Am 17.08.2012 13:47, schrieb Paul Predkiewicz: > but {xa'e} is a rafsi of {xance}, how would you use it to say such > things as "let's go"? -xa'e- is the rafsi, but xa'e as a cmavo is a LAhE (even though I wish it was UI) that makes it so that the sumti it's used on is treated as if it was ko, i.e. a third-person command. xa'e lo gerku cu cliva "The dogs shall leave!" "May the dogs leave!" "I want the dogs to leave." Whether it's very useful is another question. {.e'u} will usually be enough for cohortatives at least. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.