Received: from mail-ob0-f189.google.com ([209.85.214.189]:36723) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T2LgC-00067q-89; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 05:29:41 -0700 Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3sf3855992obb.16 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 05:29:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=65Ny55W3hXW21DBXGSIj4fU7JPgiHrTqtkuekJtTmIM=; b=wvXcJsW/K/U1FUBDyaWmHkMCQgsRZUbbyOKm+nFBzlEkDCSakAsUbY5Kl1auFbWw6a LXSpBMxcXm6bj2hGkC6CuYQRRlYhKtIRbL3438oSJXlt8KgbRJN93JNh9qS+jc8A6Lc2 8Ab8hymT4o4a2Rop/MdS3igfAKrfCevy7VBEc= Received: by 10.52.90.69 with SMTP id bu5mr646876vdb.6.1345206565339; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 05:29:25 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.35.202 with SMTP id k10ls2647451vdj.0.gmail; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 05:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.19.99 with SMTP id d3mr846487vee.32.1345206564860; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 05:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.19.99 with SMTP id d3mr846486vee.32.1345206564849; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 05:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f53.google.com (mail-vb0-f53.google.com [209.85.212.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y4si356306vds.2.2012.08.17.05.29.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 17 Aug 2012 05:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.53; Received: by mail-vb0-f53.google.com with SMTP id fc26so3689126vbb.12 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 05:29:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.37.194 with SMTP id y2mr2386825vcd.44.1345206564705; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 05:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.58.190.169 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 05:29:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <44e6fb5c-91f3-47ba-817c-8560c9c6ca14@googlegroups.com> <502B9E61.8060808@gmx.de> <502BA634.3030007@gmx.de> <502C50EB.3090704@gmail.com> <5f1664a8-ea52-4a70-8cce-7beb0b626ad6@googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:29:24 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] "Any" and {ro} From: tijlan To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On 17 August 2012 12:41, Paul Predkiewicz wrote: > but its definition says "an elliptical/unspecified value; has some value > which makes bridi true" which would be a good description for "anything" > aswell, or wouldn't it? There can be a difference between "un/specified" and "un/specific". One can have a physically specific but officially unspecified child, for example. {zo'e} is to have an unspecified but not necessarily unspecific value, it seems. Suppose there are an apple & an orange on a table; you want to eat the apple; below would be a valid statement: mi djica lo nu citka zo'e {zo'e} is referring to whatever citka2 that makes the bridi true, which in this case is specifically the apple. If there were nothing on the table but you nevertheless wanted to eat something, the same statement would again be valid, except that {zo'e} would this time be referring to unspecific objects. mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.