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Well, i can't really see any difference between unspecified and unspecific.

also, i don't get your point. if i neither state nor point at which of
those fruits i desire to eat, then it doesn't really matter. Even if there
were lying an apple and an orange, if i tell my wife i wanted to eat
something and she got no means to tell what i want, she would give me
anything.

I still have the feeling using {zo'e} as "anything" would be ok. Maybe not
in all situations but if what i say is ambiguis, the person im talking to
could still ask if i meant the apple, the orange, the cheese, which is in
the fridge, or maybe the table if i was a beaver.


2012/8/17 tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com>

> On 17 August 2012 12:41, Paul Predkiewicz <paul.predkiewicz@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > but its definition says "an elliptical/unspecified value; has some value
> > which makes bridi true" which would be a good description for "anything"
> > aswell, or wouldn't it?
>
> There can be a difference between "un/specified" and "un/specific".
> One can have a physically specific but officially unspecified child,
> for example. {zo'e} is to have an unspecified but not necessarily
> unspecific value, it seems. Suppose there are an apple & an orange on
> a table; you want to eat the apple; below would be a valid statement:
>
>   mi djica lo nu citka zo'e
>
> {zo'e} is referring to whatever citka2 that makes the bridi true,
> which in this case is specifically the apple. If there were nothing on
> the table but you nevertheless wanted to eat something, the same
> statement would again be valid, except that {zo'e} would this time be
> referring to unspecific objects.
>
>
> mu'o
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Well, i can&#39;t really see any difference between unspecified and unspeci=
fic.<div><br></div><div><div>also, i don&#39;t get your point. if i neither=
 state nor point at which of those fruits i desire to eat, then it doesn&#3=
9;t really matter. Even if there were lying an apple and an orange, if i te=
ll my wife i wanted to eat something and she got no means to tell what i wa=
nt, she would give me anything.</div>

<div><br></div><div>I still have the feeling using {zo&#39;e} as &quot;anyt=
hing&quot; would be ok. Maybe not in all situations but if what i say is am=
biguis, the person im talking to could still ask if i meant the apple, the =
orange, the cheese, which is in the fridge, or maybe the table if i was a b=
eaver.</div>

<div><br></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2012/8/17 tijlan <span d=
ir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jbotijlan@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jbo=
tijlan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div class=3D"im">On 17 August 2012 12:41, Paul Predkiewicz &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:paul.predkiewicz@gmail.com">paul.predkiewicz@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote=
:<br>
&gt; but its definition says &quot;an elliptical/unspecified value; has som=
e value<br>
&gt; which makes bridi true&quot; which would be a good description for &qu=
ot;anything&quot;<br>
&gt; aswell, or wouldn&#39;t it?<br>
<br>
</div>There can be a difference between &quot;un/specified&quot; and &quot;=
un/specific&quot;.<br>
One can have a physically specific but officially unspecified child,<br>
for example. {zo&#39;e} is to have an unspecified but not necessarily<br>
unspecific value, it seems. Suppose there are an apple &amp; an orange on<b=
r>
a table; you want to eat the apple; below would be a valid statement:<br>
<br>
=A0 mi djica lo nu citka zo&#39;e<br>
<br>
{zo&#39;e} is referring to whatever citka2 that makes the bridi true,<br>
which in this case is specifically the apple. If there were nothing on<br>
the table but you nevertheless wanted to eat something, the same<br>
statement would again be valid, except that {zo&#39;e} would this time be<b=
r>
referring to unspecific objects.<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
mu&#39;o<br>
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