Received: from mail-lb0-f189.google.com ([209.85.217.189]:50475) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T2Wl9-0004Zn-0Q; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:19:32 -0700 Received: by lban1 with SMTP id n1sf1436403lba.16 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:19:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=sgWi2MCsbkqp1k34S3Lh++cr/DqAdz4pmiuFXfx+Z8Q=; b=PSVjbZUkkfdlOVP1Sy8cIXZTiqZrTxRBdXrOytC+xrs785vJwZqCUrmZ4dTxJYGdjb 4phjxRDGPJ1Mpa3M7e1v0onudivBif9zRLFDcum/yXZkVGIrLBVOpoY0TcH9k/oBNFPq zEhbE01u3XA7ZEFlf+Efuy0pLrqZ8e1Sd6ON0= Received: by 10.204.150.208 with SMTP id z16mr411414bkv.31.1345249154457; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:19:14 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.157.26 with SMTP id z26ls3497486bkw.1.gmail; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:19:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.154.76 with SMTP id n12mr683213bkw.1.1345249153391; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:19:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.154.76 with SMTP id n12mr683212bkw.1.1345249153378; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:19:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f41.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k7si2060968bks.2.2012.08.17.17.19.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:19:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.41; Received: by lahd3 with SMTP id d3so2456289lah.0 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:19:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.23.200 with SMTP id o8mr3089730lbf.9.1345249152968; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:19:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.91.45 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:19:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3ce5c3a7-5141-40c3-8826-2d29e3a5fbc9@googlegroups.com> References: <44e6fb5c-91f3-47ba-817c-8560c9c6ca14@googlegroups.com> <502B9E61.8060808@gmx.de> <502BA634.3030007@gmx.de> <5e10061c-cf69-45f8-b14b-fa8ebbad02ae@googlegroups.com> <3ce5c3a7-5141-40c3-8826-2d29e3a5fbc9@googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 21:19:12 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] "Any" and {ro} From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:43 PM, sunderland wrote: > To answer {do djica lonu citka ma} with "anything," I'd just say {roda}, > which here means "for each x, I('d) want to eat x," not that "I want to eat > the-mass-of everything" as in English (maybe I misunderstand {roda}?). It depends where you put it: ro da zo'u mi djica lo nu mi citka da "Every x is such that I('d') want to eat x." vs. mi djica lo nu ro da zo'u mi citka da "I('d) want that every x be such that I eat x." The first one may be a case of indifference, but the second one is certainly a case of gluttony. I would interpret "mi djica lo nu mi citka ro da" as the second one because I take the quantifier as belonging to the most immediate prenex, and probably a simple "ro da" answer to "ma" as well. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.