Received: from mail-ey0-f189.google.com ([209.85.215.189]:49767) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T2WuT-0004dE-Pq; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:29:10 -0700 Received: by eaan13 with SMTP id n13sf1412782eaa.16 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:28:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=HL40HHNj4r3QxP8N3uFKV5rodr2bn4MUU0p+kuQQeNo=; b=lA3nauCeRPfuOxnmcVx4D3MnoEAR0vYQ9DSSQ/mQhgSTo5HVb3sO3YlHf9Iq5I7rab InI/P/fXEGe5Px/3s/jU9LxqkL9eT1dRA2Llh+/0o2Zcc6QkDiLgJo318ACKYs/L3IAp 5jMxPMFDen8Ksl9U0lE4BRtrVoD9Luyek0OJA= Received: by 10.205.123.3 with SMTP id gi3mr361062bkc.29.1345249734072; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:28:54 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.205.119.129 with SMTP id fu1ls3446594bkc.4.gmail; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.129.81 with SMTP id n17mr684371bks.3.1345249733113; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.129.81 with SMTP id n17mr684370bks.3.1345249733089; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f174.google.com (mail-lb0-f174.google.com [209.85.217.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e23si2065105bks.0.2012.08.17.17.28.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.174; Received: by lbbgj3 with SMTP id gj3so2642289lbb.5 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:28:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.40.33 with SMTP id u1mr3012671lbk.28.1345249732576; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:28:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.24.70 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:28:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <502ED43E.1060804@gmail.com> References: <000e0cd5187e58762a04c77bb7d6@google.com> <502ED43E.1060804@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 18:28:52 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Zombie From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efe306071c72c04c77f5cb9 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --e0cb4efe306071c72c04c77f5cb9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 5:31 PM, And Rosta wrote: > On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 2:07 PM, > rdentato@gmail.com>> wrote: >> We have a similar problem in Italian with "principii" (principles) >> and "principi" (princes). With some exercise they come out very distinct= . >> > > Those two differ in stress too, tho, don't they. > > Jonathan Jones, On 17/08/2012 21:19: > > It shouldn't be difficult at in Lojban. {ii} is a diphthong >> pronounced "YEE", {i} is a vowel pronounced "EE". >> > > ...and that's easy only for native anglophones, helped by the diphthongal > character of "EE" in most accents. > I highly doubt that. The consonant-y sound appears in a whole variety of languages.While Japanese doesn't have "yi", it does have =E3=82=84"ya", =E3= =82=86"yu", and =E3=82=88"yo", which are distinctive sounds from =E3=81=82"a", =E3=81=86"u"= , and =E3=81=8A"o". --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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