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On Friday 17 August 2012 20:04:24 sunderland wrote:
> So are the following equivalent?
> - lo broda be bai ko'a
> - lo pe bai ko'a broda

I don't think so. I haven't seen the latter construction before, but I think 
it's equivalent to "lo broda pe bai ko'a", which is not equivalent to "lo 
broda be bai ko'a". Here are some examples of the difference:

mi te cange fo lo fi'orxruki peseba'i lo jipci
I raise guineafowl instead of chickens.
mi te cange fo lo fi'orxruki beseba'i lo jipci
*I raise something which guineafowls instead of chickening.
The latter sentence doesn't make sense, although the Lojban is syntactically 
correct.

mi viska lo renro pa'o lo canko
I see a thrower through a window.
mi viska lo renro be pa'o lo canko
I see someone who throws through windows.
mi viska lo renro pe pa'o lo canko
I see a thrower who is caught in a window.
"pa'o" is a tense marker, but the same principle applies.

Usually, if "lo <brivla> be BAI <sumti>" makes sense, "lo <brivla> pe BAI 
<sumti>" will mean the same thing, but the converse isn't true.

"goi" and "pe" are in the same selma'o. What does "mi te cange lo fi'orxruki 
goi seba'i lo jipci" mean?

Pierre

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