Received: from mail-ey0-f189.google.com ([209.85.215.189]:65489) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T2gOb-000091-87; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 03:36:59 -0700 Received: by eaan13 with SMTP id n13sf1510624eaa.16 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 03:36:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MLdHVZg1zhyVg6PLz8uKahYwPOFYBsu6q4ZGRdD+65Q=; b=4AT8jtAaMwN+RrTf2nviV05UW9QfsB+ob49/yoI9U8nizMyQ+GN/BBWUfJmEafC4SQ 8SN2MfLCFOjK3jZyv5Ca4GAeHBBqcuQUM3PE4sHHI+dAXe5iVgBVWP3/wcEyqcwEBita cFMlA5Ec6/BhSlSr4YK+48K4pqp4TM3XdJJbE= Received: by 10.180.96.65 with SMTP id dq1mr546775wib.2.1345286197269; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 03:36:37 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.205.73 with SMTP id i49ls1252952eeo.2.gmail; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 03:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.205.5 with SMTP id i5mr183676eeo.5.1345286196459; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 03:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.205.5 with SMTP id i5mr183675eeo.5.1345286196450; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 03:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ey0-f171.google.com (mail-ey0-f171.google.com [209.85.215.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d5si13582177eep.0.2012.08.18.03.36.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 18 Aug 2012 03:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.171; Received: by eaah11 with SMTP id h11so2394892eaa.16 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 03:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.224.193 with SMTP id x41mr1047235eep.46.1345286196242; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 03:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.77] (87-194-76-177.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.76.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm26475820eei.12.2012.08.18.03.36.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 18 Aug 2012 03:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <502F7031.5050702@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 11:36:33 +0100 From: And Rosta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.28) Gecko/20120306 Thunderbird/3.1.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Zombie References: <000e0cd5187e58762a04c77bb7d6@google.com> <502ED43E.1060804@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=and.rosta@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Jonathan Jones, On 18/08/2012 01:28: > On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 5:31 PM, And Rosta > wrote: > Jonathan Jones, On 17/08/2012 21:19: > > It shouldn't be difficult at in Lojban. {ii} is a diphthong > pronounced "YEE", {i} is a vowel pronounced "EE". > > > ...and that's easy only for native anglophones, helped by the diphtho= ngal character of "EE" in most accents. > > > I highly doubt that. The consonant-y sound appears in a whole variety of = languages.While Japanese doesn't have "yi", it does have =E3=82=84"ya", =E3= =82=86"yu", and =E3=82=88"yo", which are distinctive sounds from =E3=81=82"= a", =E3=81=86"u", and =E3=81=8A"o". You transmute healthy skepticism into pigheadedness. Why the gap at "yi"? W= hat is the phonetic difference between {i} and {ii} and why do you suppose = it to be easy? --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.