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At first some examples.

1.{mi ce do simxu lo nu viska} - presumably it's "We see each other" 
although we don't know what places of {viska} must be filled with {mi,do}.

2."The clown and the grocer despise one another."

So in the chat it has been suggested that we could move {soi} to JOI with 
the following result:

3.{mi soi do ze'e prami}, quite a laconic way to say "We loved each other 
since the beginning of time".

Even more examples:

4."France and Britain had been at war [with each other] for 100 years".

So don't you think that those multiple meaningful examples that are 
supposed to be frequently realised in our speech are enough to settle the 
issue with {soi}?

More reading:*http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/lessappendix.html
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*One more global note*.
Predicate arguments seems never to be interacting with each other in gismu. 
This proposal is one of such attempts to overcome the issue.

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<div>At first some examples.<br></div><div><br></div><div>1.{mi ce do simxu=
 lo nu viska} - presumably it's "We see each other" although we don't know =
what places of {viska} must be filled with {mi,do}.</div><div><br></div><di=
v>2."The clown and the grocer despise one another."</div><div><br></div><di=
v>So in the chat it has been suggested that we could move {soi} to JOI with=
 the following result:</div><div><br></div><div>3.{mi soi do ze'e prami}, q=
uite a laconic way to say "We loved each other since the beginning of time"=
.</div><div><br></div><div>Even more examples:</div><div><br></div><div>4."=
France and Britain had been at war [with each other] for 100 years".</div><=
div><br></div><div>So don't you think that those multiple meaningful exampl=
es that are supposed to be frequently realised in our speech are enough to =
settle the issue with {soi}?</div><div><br></div><div>More reading:<i> http=
://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/lessappendix.html</i></=
div><div><br></div><div><b>One more global note</b>.</div><div>Predicate ar=
guments seems never to be interacting with each other in gismu. This propos=
al is one of such attempts to overcome the issue.</div>

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