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On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:39 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com>wrote:

> That is absolutely false. {ko} is simply the word for an imperative mood,
> with no other implications; it's not necessarily an order.


Hunh? An imperative *is *necessarily an order. That's the definition of
imperative.

>
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 11:32 AM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> {.e'u} and {ko} largely differ in the fact that after insubmission after
>> {ko} you might be executed by your commander whereas after {.e'u} you would
>> probably survive. zo'o
>
>
"Insubmission" is a new and useful word for me. Thanks for using it!

stevo

>
>>
>> On Friday, August 17, 2012 4:24:31 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:
>>>
>>> Am 17.08.2012 13:47, schrieb Paul Predkiewicz:
>>> > but {xa'e} is a rafsi of {xance}, how would you use it to say such
>>> > things as "let's go"?
>>>
>>> -xa'e- is the rafsi, but xa'e as a cmavo is a LAhE (even though I wish
>>> it was UI) that makes it so that the sumti it's used on is treated as if
>>> it was ko, i.e. a third-person command.
>>>
>>>      xa'e lo gerku cu cliva
>>>      "The dogs shall leave!"
>>>      "May the dogs leave!"
>>>      "I want the dogs to leave."
>>>
>>> Whether it's very useful is another question. {.e'u} will usually be
>>> enough for cohortatives at least.
>>>
>>> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
>>>
>>> --
>>> pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo
>>>
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:39 PM, .arpis=
. <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex">

That is absolutely false. {ko} is simply the word for an imperative mood, w=
ith no other implications; it&#39;s not necessarily an order.</blockquote><=
div><br></div><div>Hunh? An imperative <i>is </i>necessarily an order. That=
&#39;s the definition of imperative.=A0</div>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>=
</div><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at =
11:32 AM, la gleki <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name=
@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wro=
te:<br>



<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">{.e&#39;u} and {ko} largely differ in the fa=
ct that after insubmission after {ko} you might be executed by your command=
er whereas after {.e&#39;u} you would probably survive. zo&#39;o</blockquot=
e>

</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>&quot;Insubmission&quot;=
 is a new and useful word for me. Thanks for using it!</div><div><br></div>=
<div>stevo=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex"><div>

<br><br>On Friday, August 17, 2012 4:24:31 PM UTC+4, selpa&#39;i wrote:<blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Am 17.08.2012 13:47, schrieb Paul Predk=
iewicz:
<br>&gt; but {xa&#39;e} is a rafsi of {xance}, how would you use it to say =
such=20
<br>&gt; things as &quot;let&#39;s go&quot;?
<br>
<br>-xa&#39;e- is the rafsi, but xa&#39;e as a cmavo is a LAhE (even though=
 I wish=20
<br>it was UI) that makes it so that the sumti it&#39;s used on is treated =
as if=20
<br>it was ko, i.e. a third-person command.
<br>
<br>=A0 =A0 =A0xa&#39;e lo gerku cu cliva
<br>=A0 =A0 =A0&quot;The dogs shall leave!&quot;
<br>=A0 =A0 =A0&quot;May the dogs leave!&quot;
<br>=A0 =A0 =A0&quot;I want the dogs to leave.&quot;
<br>
<br>Whether it&#39;s very useful is another question. {.e&#39;u} will usual=
ly be=20
<br>enough for cohortatives at least.
<br>
<br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la selpa&#39;i
<br>
<br>--=20
<br>pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo
<br>
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