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"Go and take out the trash, will you, honey?" is an imperative. If you tell
me that it's also an order, I'll concede that we have different definitions
of "order".

On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:49 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:39 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> That is absolutely false. {ko} is simply the word for an imperative mood,
>> with no other implications; it's not necessarily an order.
>
>
> Hunh? An imperative *is *necessarily an order. That's the definition of
> imperative.
>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 11:32 AM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> {.e'u} and {ko} largely differ in the fact that after insubmission after
>>> {ko} you might be executed by your commander whereas after {.e'u} you would
>>> probably survive. zo'o
>>
>>
> "Insubmission" is a new and useful word for me. Thanks for using it!
>
> stevo
>
>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 17, 2012 4:24:31 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Am 17.08.2012 13:47, schrieb Paul Predkiewicz:
>>>> > but {xa'e} is a rafsi of {xance}, how would you use it to say such
>>>> > things as "let's go"?
>>>>
>>>> -xa'e- is the rafsi, but xa'e as a cmavo is a LAhE (even though I wish
>>>> it was UI) that makes it so that the sumti it's used on is treated as
>>>> if
>>>> it was ko, i.e. a third-person command.
>>>>
>>>>      xa'e lo gerku cu cliva
>>>>      "The dogs shall leave!"
>>>>      "May the dogs leave!"
>>>>      "I want the dogs to leave."
>>>>
>>>> Whether it's very useful is another question. {.e'u} will usually be
>>>> enough for cohortatives at least.
>>>>
>>>> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo
>>>>
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&quot;Go and take out the trash, will you, honey?&quot; is an imperative. I=
f you tell me that it&#39;s also an order, I&#39;ll concede that we have di=
fferent definitions of &quot;order&quot;.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
>

On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:49 PM, MorphemeAddict <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:lytlesw@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lytlesw@gmail.com</a>&gt=
;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 a=
t 12:39 PM, .arpis. <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rpglover64+jbob=
au@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

That is absolutely false. {ko} is simply the word for an imperative mood, w=
ith no other implications; it&#39;s not necessarily an order.</blockquote><=
div><br></div></div><div>Hunh? An imperative <i>is </i>necessarily an order=
. That&#39;s the definition of imperative.=A0</div>

<div class=3D"im">

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><br></div><div><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 11:32 AM, la gleki <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.n=
ame@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>





<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">{.e&#39;u} and {ko} largely differ in the fa=
ct that after insubmission after {ko} you might be executed by your command=
er whereas after {.e&#39;u} you would probably survive. zo&#39;o</blockquot=
e>



</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>&quot;Insubmission=
&quot; is a new and useful word for me. Thanks for using it!</div><div><br>=
</div><div>stevo=A0</div><div><div class=3D"h5"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex">



<div><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>

<br><br>On Friday, August 17, 2012 4:24:31 PM UTC+4, selpa&#39;i wrote:<blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Am 17.08.2012 13:47, schrieb Paul Predk=
iewicz:
<br>&gt; but {xa&#39;e} is a rafsi of {xance}, how would you use it to say =
such=20
<br>&gt; things as &quot;let&#39;s go&quot;?
<br>
<br>-xa&#39;e- is the rafsi, but xa&#39;e as a cmavo is a LAhE (even though=
 I wish=20
<br>it was UI) that makes it so that the sumti it&#39;s used on is treated =
as if=20
<br>it was ko, i.e. a third-person command.
<br>
<br>=A0 =A0 =A0xa&#39;e lo gerku cu cliva
<br>=A0 =A0 =A0&quot;The dogs shall leave!&quot;
<br>=A0 =A0 =A0&quot;May the dogs leave!&quot;
<br>=A0 =A0 =A0&quot;I want the dogs to leave.&quot;
<br>
<br>Whether it&#39;s very useful is another question. {.e&#39;u} will usual=
ly be=20
<br>enough for cohortatives at least.
<br>
<br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la selpa&#39;i
<br>
<br>--=20
<br>pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo
<br>
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