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> On Friday 17 August 2012 18:34:12 djandus wrote: 
> > we ended up trying to come up with a word for 
> > "x1 performs its intended function/purpose x2" -- the word I eventually 
> > suggested was {zilpli}.
>
So it's said, this is more than an "idleness" issue -- when whoever it was 
(tsani?) said we needed a word with the above definition, I felt certain 
there had to be a lojban word for it.

>
> I'd say "lo ve tivni cu tolcando".

 Indeed, of the current Lojban usages for "turned on/working", {tolcando} 
was the best, IMO. However, there are some cases I would prefer {zilpli}. 
When my TV is turned on just to be on, I'd say {tolcando}, but when a 
computer turns itself on (or merely comes out of standby) to perform a 
scheduled task, {zilpli} seems more appropriate.

Computers these days, though, have various 
> states of idleness: CPU use is 0%, suspended, hibernating, and off. I'm 
> not 
> sure how to distinguish those.
>
However we solve the "CPU use is ##%" issue should also be able to be used 
to describe a percentage of active cells in a creatures body. (Also, what's 
Lojban for CPU? Did that other thread about computer terms cover hardware?) 
Maybe {pi mu lo sambesna cu tolcando} for "Half of the processor is 
active." (Where {piro} and {pino} could be used for the extreme cases.)

Maybe something like {dicmu'ucando} for "idle with current" for "on 
standby" versus {dicyzuncando} for "idle without current" for "hibernate". 
(I have trouble describing electricity when the charge and its time 
derivative are given the same word. And when I can't find a word for being 
"still/unmoving" other than, I guess, {tolmu'u})

>
> There's also "tolpo'u".
>
 That's a very important word to have on hand. ki'esai


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<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;bor=
der-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">On Friday 17 August 2012 18:34=
:12 djandus wrote:
<br>&gt; we ended up trying to come up with a word for
<br>&gt; "x1 performs its intended function/purpose x2" -- the word I event=
ually
<br>&gt; suggested was {zilpli}.<br></blockquote><div>So it's said, this is=
 more than an "idleness" issue -- when whoever it was (tsani?) said we need=
ed a word with the above definition, I felt certain there had to be a lojba=
n word for it.</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;ma=
rgin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>I'd say "lo ve tivni cu tolcando".</blockquote><div>&nbsp;Indeed, of th=
e current Lojban usages for "turned on/working", {tolcando} was the best, I=
MO. However, there are some cases I would prefer {zilpli}. When my TV is tu=
rned on just to be on, I'd say {tolcando}, but when a computer turns itself=
 on (or merely comes out of standby) to perform a scheduled task, {zilpli} =
seems more appropriate.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;paddin=
g-left: 1ex;">Computers these days, though, have various=20
<br>states of idleness: CPU use is 0%, suspended, hibernating, and off. I'm=
 not=20
<br>sure how to distinguish those.<br></blockquote><div>However we solve th=
e "CPU use is ##%" issue should also be able to be used to describe a perce=
ntage of active cells in a creatures body. (Also, what's Lojban for CPU? Di=
d that other thread about computer terms cover hardware?) Maybe {pi mu lo s=
ambesna cu tolcando} for "Half of the processor is active." (Where {piro} a=
nd {pino} could be used for the extreme cases.)</div><div><br></div><div>Ma=
ybe something like {dicmu'ucando} for "idle with current" for "on standby" =
versus {dicyzuncando} for "idle without current" for "hibernate". (I have t=
rouble describing electricity when the charge and its time derivative are g=
iven the same word. And when I can't find a word for being "still/unmoving"=
 other than, I guess, {tolmu'u})</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
: 1ex;"><br>There's also "tolpo'u".<br></blockquote><div>&nbsp;That's a ver=
y important word to have on hand. ki'esai</div><div><br></div><div><br></di=
v>

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