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On Saturday, August 18, 2012 9:26:23 PM UTC+4, .arpis. wrote:
>
> "Go and take out the trash, will you, honey?" is an imperative. If you 
> tell me that it's also an order, I'll concede that we have different 
> definitions of "order".
>
It sounds like {.e'o/pe'u} 

>
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:49 PM, MorphemeAddict <lyt...@gmail.com<javascript:>
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:39 PM, .arpis. <rpglover...@gmail.com<javascript:>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> That is absolutely false. {ko} is simply the word for an imperative 
>>> mood, with no other implications; it's not necessarily an order.
>>
>>
>> Hunh? An imperative *is *necessarily an order. That's the definition of 
>> imperative. 
>>  
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 11:32 AM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com<javascript:>
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> {.e'u} and {ko} largely differ in the fact that after insubmission 
>>>> after {ko} you might be executed by your commander whereas after {.e'u} you 
>>>> would probably survive. zo'o
>>>
>>>
>> "Insubmission" is a new and useful word for me. Thanks for using it!
>>
>> stevo 
>>
>>>  
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, August 17, 2012 4:24:31 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 17.08.2012 13:47, schrieb Paul Predkiewicz: 
>>>>> > but {xa'e} is a rafsi of {xance}, how would you use it to say such 
>>>>> > things as "let's go"? 
>>>>>
>>>>> -xa'e- is the rafsi, but xa'e as a cmavo is a LAhE (even though I wish 
>>>>> it was UI) that makes it so that the sumti it's used on is treated as 
>>>>> if 
>>>>> it was ko, i.e. a third-person command. 
>>>>>
>>>>>      xa'e lo gerku cu cliva 
>>>>>      "The dogs shall leave!" 
>>>>>      "May the dogs leave!" 
>>>>>      "I want the dogs to leave." 
>>>>>
>>>>> Whether it's very useful is another question. {.e'u} will usually be 
>>>>> enough for cohortatives at least. 
>>>>>
>>>>> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i 
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo 
>>>>>
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<br><br>On Saturday, August 18, 2012 9:26:23 PM UTC+4, .arpis. wrote:<block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-le=
ft: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">"Go and take out the trash, will you=
, honey?" is an imperative. If you tell me that it's also an order, I'll co=
ncede that we have different definitions of "order".<br></blockquote><div>I=
t sounds like {.e'o/pe'u}&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
 1ex;"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">

On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:49 PM, MorphemeAddict <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"Wv8gcdyatHMJ=
">lyt...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:39 PM, .=
arpis. <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-=
obfuscated-mailto=3D"Wv8gcdyatHMJ">rpglover...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wro=
te:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

That is absolutely false. {ko} is simply the word for an imperative mood, w=
ith no other implications; it's not necessarily an order.</blockquote><div>=
<br></div></div><div>Hunh? An imperative <i>is </i>necessarily an order. Th=
at's the definition of imperative.&nbsp;</div>

<div>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><br></div><div><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 11:32 AM, la gleki <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=
 href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"Wv8gcdyatH=
MJ">gleki.is...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>





<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">{.e'u} and {ko} largely differ in the fact t=
hat after insubmission after {ko} you might be executed by your commander w=
hereas after {.e'u} you would probably survive. zo'o</blockquote>



</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>"Insubmission" is =
a new and useful word for me. Thanks for using it!</div><div><br></div><div=
>stevo&nbsp;</div><div><div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">



<div><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>

<br><br>On Friday, August 17, 2012 4:24:31 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:<blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Am 17.08.2012 13:47, schrieb Paul Predkiewi=
cz:
<br>&gt; but {xa'e} is a rafsi of {xance}, how would you use it to say such=
=20
<br>&gt; things as "let's go"?
<br>
<br>-xa'e- is the rafsi, but xa'e as a cmavo is a LAhE (even though I wish=
=20
<br>it was UI) that makes it so that the sumti it's used on is treated as i=
f=20
<br>it was ko, i.e. a third-person command.
<br>
<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;xa'e lo gerku cu cliva
<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;"The dogs shall leave!"
<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;"May the dogs leave!"
<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;"I want the dogs to leave."
<br>
<br>Whether it's very useful is another question. {.e'u} will usually be=20
<br>enough for cohortatives at least.
<br>
<br>mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
<br>
<br>--=20
<br>pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo
<br>
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