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Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 13:08:39 -0600
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Zombie
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 Content preview:  On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 4:36 AM, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com>
    wrote: > Jonathan Jones, On 18/08/2012 01:28: > > On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at
    5:31 PM, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com <mailto: >> and.rosta@gmail.com>>
    wrote: >> Jonathan Jones, On 17/08/2012 21:19: >> >> It shouldn't be difficult
    at in Lojban. {ii} is a diphthong >> pronounced "YEE", {i} is a vowel pronounced
    "EE". >> >> >> ...and that's easy only for native anglophones, helped by
   the >> diphthongal character of "EE" in most accents. >> >> >> I highly doubt
    that. The consonant-y sound appears in a whole variety of >> languages.While
    Japanese doesn't have "yi", it does have や"ya", ゆ"yu", and
   >> よ"yo", which are distinctive sounds from あ"a", う"u",
    and お"o". >> > > You transmute healthy skepticism into pigheadedness.
    Why the gap at "yi"? > What is the phonetic difference between {i} and {ii}
    and why do you suppose > it to be easy? [...] 
 
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On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 4:36 AM, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrote:

> Jonathan Jones, On 18/08/2012 01:28:
>
>  On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 5:31 PM, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com <mailto:
>> and.rosta@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>     Jonathan Jones, On 17/08/2012 21:19:
>>
>>         It shouldn't be difficult at in Lojban. {ii} is a diphthong
>>         pronounced "YEE", {i} is a vowel pronounced "EE".
>>
>>
>>     ...and that's easy only for native anglophones, helped by the
>> diphthongal character of "EE" in most accents.
>>
>>
>> I highly doubt that. The consonant-y sound appears in a whole variety of
>> languages.While Japanese doesn't have "yi", it does have や"ya", ゆ"yu", and
>> よ"yo", which are distinctive sounds from あ"a", う"u", and お"o".
>>
>
> You transmute healthy skepticism into pigheadedness. Why the gap at "yi"?
> What is the phonetic difference between {i} and {ii} and why do you suppose
> it to be easy?


I don't know, I'm not the Japanese people that made the hiragana and
katakana writing systems, nor am I that people who came up with the words
for thing in Japan. All I know is that they /used/ to have all five vowels
for each of their consonants, but at some point, "yi", "ye", "wi", "wu",
and "we" ceased to exist.

The same as the difference between "a" あ and "ia" や, and for the same
reason.

-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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