Received: from mail-wi0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]:65375) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T2ol9-0006Y0-19; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 12:32:47 -0700 Received: by wibhr14 with SMTP id hr14sf1000068wib.16 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 12:32:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=MXrN4rvGwfHJaKjAzNzM449/BWp9LWc3rUy8aA9uGfk=; b=hC+BcpkuENvjUdv4gJX1a5XlRc7YO0LnGXYqctTsr9ufayBX2qc0ihkmbIYwGgJ+pr TmL5mgexDQ8oShNdpZbUwdK79yU6Qp1+62ka+xPgfPrl0cAVESTDsgGJdBqzfoo1ykle CJpQs4KlPpmrhzl86JVwR570pNEKVDSs+N3vo= Received: by 10.180.106.99 with SMTP id gt3mr569057wib.3.1345318347462; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 12:32:27 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.205.73 with SMTP id i49ls1303972eeo.2.gmail; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 12:32:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.2.130 with SMTP id 2mr664846eef.1.1345318346524; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 12:32:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.2.130 with SMTP id 2mr664845eef.1.1345318346516; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 12:32:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ey0-f172.google.com (mail-ey0-f172.google.com [209.85.215.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d5si15048786eep.0.2012.08.18.12.32.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 18 Aug 2012 12:32:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.172; Received: by eaai11 with SMTP id i11so1654451eaa.17 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 12:32:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.213.137 with SMTP id a9mr2307496eep.38.1345318346339; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 12:32:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.95.78 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 12:32:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 16:32:26 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] selbri separation grammar From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 3:48 PM, djandus wrote: > coi rodo > > I need some help clearing up how I view Lojban grammar. What words can > replace VALSI in the following to let them be bridi? > {lo broda VALSI brode} > {lo nu broda VALSI brode} With the current grammar, CU, KU, or NA. > Up until recently, I did not realize that NA are acceptable for both, and PU > are only acceptable in the first. (Tested via jboski.) Yes, that's becasue PU (or any other tag) will be taken as a tag [ku] term of the broda bridi, and then "nu broda pu [ku] [vau] [kei]" will form a tanru with "brode". This is something that has been proposed to be changed, so that selbri tcita have priority over sumti tcita. Then any tag could be used there and be understood as a selbri tcita, as usually intended. > Part of my issue is I have no way to figure this out right now other than > randomly trying things in a parser, as I don't know where in the CLL or > online to look. You have to look into the formal grammars to figure it out. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.