Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]:60059) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T2vEZ-0005jW-0Z; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:27:31 -0700 Received: by yenq11 with SMTP id q11sf5351151yen.16 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:27:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=tCRi8Yhgw0al187AGm5T/WWPb8UDj6lvoEIAaE0MVQA=; b=WfSSo+m85dnlNyL1axGuGU/NCutbQMCSQAki6cTgGu2hbFvIh7P2ncVYS1EPY/DdWW uZieSRK5QXq1KPKxmi6GprwiJXHphQjMQ8i1XzAf3j6KucYSUdQIUoeU5L9aR6f9Xy1D 8OXpNgingbQQFT7ylSuw9H6GfwRK8QNBfTye4= Received: by 10.68.125.193 with SMTP id ms1mr1396289pbb.2.1345343235966; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:27:15 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.116.38 with SMTP id jt6ls5491601pbb.8.gmail; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.83.74 with SMTP id o10mr1343908pay.33.1345343235186; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.83.74 with SMTP id o10mr1343907pay.33.1345343235174; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p7si1784743pby.0.2012.08.18.19.27.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of maikxlx@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.41; Received: by pbbro12 with SMTP id ro12so5995412pbb.14 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:27:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.242.231 with SMTP id wt7mr18435666pbc.99.1345343234943; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.213.67 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:27:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <000e0cd5187e58762a04c77bb7d6@google.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 22:27:14 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: [lojban] Re: Zombie From: "Mike S." To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: maikxlx@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of maikxlx@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=maikxlx@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b339c839eac7504c7952188 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7b339c839eac7504c7952188 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > I'm not talking about what should and should not be allowed. All I'm > saying is that in Lojban, {ii}, is pronounced "yee", and {i} is pronounced > "ee". But no one disputes those pronunciations. What's being discussed is whether it is a *good idea* to use it in fu'ivla like suggested {dzombii}. It was already pointed out that {ii} is difficult for many globally. In fact, {ii} is very marginal even in Lojban. TTBOMK it was totally kept out of native vocabulary except for the interjection {.ii}, which I think was wise. It'd probably be best to generally keep it and {uu} out of fu'ivla too. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --047d7b339c839eac7504c7952188 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Jonathan Jo= nes <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not talking about what should and should not be allow= ed. All I'm saying is that in Lojban, {ii}, is pronounced "yee&quo= t;, and {i} is pronounced "ee".

But no one disputes those pronunciations.=A0 What's being dis= cussed is whether it is a *good idea* to use it in fu'ivla like suggest= ed {dzombii}.=A0 It was already pointed out that {ii} is difficult for many globally.=A0=A0 In fact, {ii} i= s very marginal even in Lojban.=A0 TTBOMK it was totally kept out of native= =20 vocabulary except for the interjection {.ii}, which I think was wise.=A0 It= 'd probably be=20 best to generally keep it and {uu} out of fu'ivla too.


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