Received: from mail-fa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]:52745) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T2vi3-0006D6-9r; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:58:02 -0700 Received: by fada11 with SMTP id a11sf1129768fad.16 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:57:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=SgnDccFi8svE7g4/PP6Gi5fVT+11s8iv4xQnEtZ3NMA=; b=GFwrpra+MpfGkwK5N2yyCw3K+l0zL2awcgfihilkPTZwcZI53k9ivVWF5uQZKifrU9 MzxoM/gRYXjjrfvrsA2ZFGpszpwcZsd/JF6eAC8wEKQu2pI8kLo+7DOGh2DAD5x4nCoG 2O9EIAr8xdaEmHesCD/Dpy5IE2p4q/ZRYLWM8= Received: by 10.204.145.130 with SMTP id d2mr397940bkv.21.1345345063366; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:57:43 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.7.213 with SMTP id e21ls3678036bke.2.gmail; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.139.2 with SMTP id iu2mr925700bkc.7.1345345062137; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.139.2 with SMTP id iu2mr925699bkc.7.1345345062115; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f46.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f46.google.com [209.85.215.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k7si2802365bks.2.2012.08.18.19.57.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.46; Received: by lagy9 with SMTP id y9so3029524lag.5 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:57:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.46.135 with SMTP id v7mr4351670lbm.3.1345345061710; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:57:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.24.70 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:57:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <000e0cd5187e58762a04c77bb7d6@google.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 20:57:41 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: [lojban] Re: Zombie From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec55240be80ed9c04c7958eb1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec55240be80ed9c04c7958eb1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Mike S. wrote: > On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> >> I'm not talking about what should and should not be allowed. All I'm >> saying is that in Lojban, {ii}, is pronounced "yee", and {i} is pronounced >> "ee". > > > But no one disputes those pronunciations. What's being discussed is > whether it is a *good idea* to use it in fu'ivla like suggested {dzombii}. > It was already pointed out that {ii} is difficult for many globally. In > fact, {ii} is very marginal even in Lojban. TTBOMK it was totally kept out > of native vocabulary except for the interjection {.ii}, which I think was > wise. It'd probably be best to generally keep it and {uu} out of fu'ivla > too. > The reason I brought it up is because someone was comparing {i} and {ii} to the single and double "i" in "principii" vs. "principi", which to my knowledge is a false comparison, because the difference between "i" and "ii" in THAT examples is not pronunciation, but vowel length ("ee" vs. "eeee"). -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --bcaec55240be80ed9c04c7958eb1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Mike S. <maikx= lx@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 9:07 P= M, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm not talk= ing about what should and should not be allowed. All I'm saying is that= in Lojban, {ii}, is pronounced "yee", and {i} is pronounced &quo= t;ee".

But no one disputes those pronunciations.=A0 What's bei= ng discussed is whether it is a *good idea* to use it in fu'ivla like s= uggested {dzombii}.=A0 It was already pointed out that {ii} is difficult for many globally.=A0=A0 In fact, {ii} i= s very marginal even in Lojban.=A0 TTBOMK it was totally kept out of native= =20 vocabulary except for the interjection {.ii}, which I think was wise.=A0 It= 'd probably be=20 best to generally keep it and {uu} out of fu'ivla too.
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The reason I brought it up is because someone was comparing {i} an= d {ii} to the single and double "i" in "principii" vs. = "principi", which to my knowledge is a false comparison, because = the difference between "i" and "ii" in THAT examples is= not pronunciation, but vowel length ("ee" vs. "eeee").=


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