= On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 10:37 PM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmai= l.com> wrote:

On Saturday, Augus= t 18, 2012 11:37:31 PM UTC+4, .arpis. wrote:
It is {e'o/pe'u}; it's also {ko}

{ko e'o muvgau lo v= icterlu'i vi'opei .tit.}

{ko} represents the part of the mea= ning that indicates that the listener is expected to be active in making th= e sentence true.

=A0{do e'o muvgau ...} - is it grammatical?

On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 2:48 PM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, August 18, 2012 9:26:23 PM UTC+4, .arpis. wrote:<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border= -left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">"Go and take out the trash, wil= l you, honey?" is an imperative. If you tell me that it's also an = order, I'll concede that we have different definitions of "order&q= uot;.

It sounds like {.e'o/pe'u}=A0

On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:49 PM, MorphemeAddict <l= yt...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:39 = PM, .arpis. <rpglover...@gmail.com> w= rote:

That is absolutely false. {ko} is simply the word for an imperative mood, w= ith no other implications; it's not necessarily an order.
<= div>
Hunh? An imperative is necessarily an order= . That's the definition of imperative.=A0

On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 11:32 AM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:

{.e'u} and {ko} largely differ in the fa= ct that after insubmission after {ko} you might be executed by your command= er whereas after {.e'u} you would probably survive. zo'o

"Insubmission= " is a new and useful word for me. Thanks for using it!

=
stevo=A0

On Friday, August 17, 2012 4:24:31 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:Am 17.08.2012 13:47, schrieb Paul Predk= iewicz:
> but {xa'e} is a rafsi of {xance}, how would you use it to say = such=20
> things as "let's go"?

-xa'e- is the rafsi, but xa'e as a cmavo is a LAhE (even though= I wish=20
it was UI) that makes it so that the sumti it's used on is treated = as if=20
it was ko, i.e. a third-person command.

=A0 =A0 =A0xa'e lo gerku cu cliva
=A0 =A0 =A0"The dogs shall leave!"
=A0 =A0 =A0"May the dogs leave!"
=A0 =A0 =A0"I want the dogs to leave."

Whether it's very useful is another question. {.e'u} will usual= ly be=20
enough for cohortatives at least.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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