On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 1:26 PM, .arpis.= <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
"Go and take out the trash, will you, honey?" is an imperative. I= f you tell me that it's also an order, I'll concede that we have di= fferent definitions of "order".

Okay, I concede that your example is of a request or suggestion, rather tha= n an order, despite its imperative.=A0

But in general, imperative= s and orders overlap a lot.=A0

OTOH, I know that in Russian, some= times--especially in the military--orders are given in the infinitive.=A0

stevo

On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:49 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>= ; wrote:

On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:39 PM, .= arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:

That is absolutely false. {ko} is simply the word for an imperative mood, w= ith no other implications; it's not necessarily an order.
<= div>
Hunh? An imperative is necessarily an order= . That's the definition of imperative.=A0

On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 11:32 AM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.n= ame@gmail.com> wrote:

{.e'u} and {ko} largely differ in the fa= ct that after insubmission after {ko} you might be executed by your command= er whereas after {.e'u} you would probably survive. zo'o

"Insubmission= " is a new and useful word for me. Thanks for using it!

=
stevo=A0

On Friday, August 17, 2012 4:24:31 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:Am 17.08.2012 13:47, schrieb Paul Predk= iewicz:
> but {xa'e} is a rafsi of {xance}, how would you use it to say = such=20
> things as "let's go"?

-xa'e- is the rafsi, but xa'e as a cmavo is a LAhE (even though= I wish=20
it was UI) that makes it so that the sumti it's used on is treated = as if=20
it was ko, i.e. a third-person command.

=A0 =A0 =A0xa'e lo gerku cu cliva
=A0 =A0 =A0"The dogs shall leave!"
=A0 =A0 =A0"May the dogs leave!"
=A0 =A0 =A0"I want the dogs to leave."

Whether it's very useful is another question. {.e'u} will usual= ly be=20
enough for cohortatives at least.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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