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On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 11:32 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

> On Saturday 18 August 2012 22:27:14 Mike S. wrote:
> > But no one disputes those pronunciations.  What's being discussed is
> > whether it is a *good idea* to use it in fu'ivla like suggested
> {dzombii}.
> > It was already pointed out that {ii} is difficult for many globally.   In
> > fact, {ii} is very marginal even in Lojban.  TTBOMK it was totally kept
> out
> > of native vocabulary except for the interjection {.ii}, which I think was
> > wise.  It'd probably be best to generally keep it and {uu} out of fu'ivla
> > too.
>
> I think that "ii" and "uu" in fu'ivla should be discouraged, but I wouldn't
> forbid them. If the ve fu'ivla contains "ii", I'd keep the "ii",
> e.g. "iinzila" (neck rings worn by Ndebele). For "zombie" I prefer
> "dzombie"
> to "dzombii".
>

IMVHO "ii" and "uu" are so relatively rare and difficult
cross-linguistically it's not worth allowing them in fu'ivla to create
difficulties.  I would suggest that a good compromise would be to accept
them in cmene.  Syllables {ji ie vu uo} are all available for fu'ivla.

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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 11:32 PM, Pierre=
 Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@phma.optus.nu" target=
=3D"_blank">phma@phma.optus.nu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">On Saturday 18 August 2012 22:27:14 Mike S. wrote:<br>
&gt; But no one disputes those pronunciations. =A0What&#39;s being discusse=
d is<br>
&gt; whether it is a *good idea* to use it in fu&#39;ivla like suggested {d=
zombii}.<br>
&gt; It was already pointed out that {ii} is difficult for many globally. =
=A0 In<br>
&gt; fact, {ii} is very marginal even in Lojban. =A0TTBOMK it was totally k=
ept out<br>
&gt; of native vocabulary except for the interjection {.ii}, which I think =
was<br>
&gt; wise. =A0It&#39;d probably be best to generally keep it and {uu} out o=
f fu&#39;ivla<br>
&gt; too.<br>
<br>
</div>I think that &quot;ii&quot; and &quot;uu&quot; in fu&#39;ivla should =
be discouraged, but I wouldn&#39;t<br>
forbid them. If the ve fu&#39;ivla contains &quot;ii&quot;, I&#39;d keep th=
e &quot;ii&quot;,<br>
e.g. &quot;iinzila&quot; (neck rings worn by Ndebele). For &quot;zombie&quo=
t; I prefer &quot;dzombie&quot;<br>
to &quot;dzombii&quot;.
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"></span><br></blockquote></div><br>IMVHO &quot;ii&quo=
t; and &quot;uu&quot; are so relatively rare and difficult cross-linguistic=
ally it&#39;s not worth allowing them in fu&#39;ivla to create difficulties=
.=A0 I would suggest that a good compromise would be to accept them in cmen=
e.=A0 Syllables {ji ie vu uo} are all available for fu&#39;ivla.<br>
<br><br><br>

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