Wait a minute. arpis's example of a request using im= peratives was in English. In Lojban, the imperative meaning is always and o= nly that of giving an order/command, i.e., telling someone to do something = (, which in English also carries the expectation that the command will be o= beyed), or as hinted by someone, to cause the sentence to be true. =A0

My point is that "telling someone to do so= mething" is a much broader category of utterances than "order/com= mand".

stevo

One more question, whats the difference betwe= en {pe'u do}, {pe'u ko} and {ko .e'o}?

Hunh? An imp= erative is necessarily an order. That's the definition of impera= tive.=A0

On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 11:32 AM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:

{.e'u} and {ko} largely differ in the fa= ct that after insubmission after {ko} you might be executed by your command= er whereas after {.e'u} you would probably survive. zo'o

"Insubmission= " is a new and useful word for me. Thanks for using it!

=
stevo=A0

On Friday, August 17, 2012 4:24:31 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:Am 17.08.2012 13:47, schrieb Paul Predk= iewicz:
> but {xa'e} is a rafsi of {xance}, how would you use it to say = such=20
> things as "let's go"?

-xa'e- is the rafsi, but xa'e as a cmavo is a LAhE (even though= I wish=20
it was UI) that makes it so that the sumti it's used on is treated = as if=20
it was ko, i.e. a third-person command.

=A0 =A0 =A0xa'e lo gerku cu cliva
=A0 =A0 =A0"The dogs shall leave!"
=A0 =A0 =A0"May the dogs leave!"
=A0 =A0 =A0"I want the dogs to leave."

Whether it's very useful is another question. {.e'u} will usual= ly be=20
enough for cohortatives at least.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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