Received: from mail-vc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]:45736) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T3IKO-0000Ka-Kb; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:07:06 -0700 Received: by vcbfl10 with SMTP id fl10sf5738994vcb.16 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:06:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=0rN4FytmrCDaDRnrrOvC6Cz6Qk+c63Z3RDhHFtH4w/c=; b=Zyd0/Y0oSNS6wyioU7TxAK5JHgmuchcXC+XcQ4n0438Y3XgoSpR0Lu1iPxFCN+9toJ zcBYTH/K237V0PaPtZ+W/NraRo2i8HlE81578oWciLOxDbvpMGRzfYUQFsZrvMO39Tzx uLRCIIDUMdvRToiINHJAJYWpIud/n1RtZy7ZE= Received: by 10.52.67.71 with SMTP id l7mr1422674vdt.12.1345432009827; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:06:49 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.223.69 with SMTP id ij5ls3998064vcb.6.gmail; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.68.3 with SMTP id r3mr3337453vet.19.1345432009339; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.68.3 with SMTP id r3mr3337452vet.19.1345432009329; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-f179.google.com (mail-vc0-f179.google.com [209.85.220.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id vy17si286849vdb.3.2012.08.19.20.06.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.179; Received: by vcqp16 with SMTP id p16so5352807vcq.24 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.0.82 with SMTP id 18mr9842465vec.0.1345432009210; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:06:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.95.234 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:06:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Jacob Errington Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:06:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] A use for {pe naku} ? To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b33d346fa7b9304c7a9ccbf X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7b33d346fa7b9304c7a9ccbf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This occurred to me in IRC just a few days ago, and I figured that I should inform the broader community of this "discovery". Until now, {pe naku} has been regarded as gibberish, and has been used essentially only in pointing out weird stuff that can be done with the grammar. However, I've figured out a practical use for it. Consider the following: {.i mi se gunta re lo gerku .i pa lo gerku cu bunre .ije lo drata naku go'i .i lo gerku pe naku cu simlu lo ka xendo zmadu lo gerku pe ja'aku} We can use {pe naku} and also {pe ja'aku} to create a disambiguation between things based on whether or not they have a contextually relevant property, in this case {ka bunre}. What do you think of this? mu'o mi'e la tsani -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --047d7b33d346fa7b9304c7a9ccbf Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This occurred to me in IRC just a few days ago, and I figured that I should= inform the broader community of this "discovery". Until now, {pe= naku} has been regarded as gibberish, and has been used essentially only i= n pointing out weird stuff that can be done with the grammar. However, I= 9;ve figured out a practical use for it.=A0

Consider the following:
{.i mi se gunta re lo gerk= u .i pa lo gerku cu bunre .ije lo drata naku go'i .i lo gerku pe naku c= u simlu lo ka xendo zmadu lo gerku pe ja'aku}
We can use {pe = naku} and also {pe ja'aku} to create a disambiguation between things ba= sed on whether or not they have a contextually relevant property, in this c= ase {ka bunre}.

What do you think of this?=A0

= mu'o mi'e la tsani

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