{ko} is officially translated as "imperative you, listener"= . Therefore, {doi mi ko sipna} is na smudra.

So for = now I propose the following translation:

{ko broda} =3D {doi do d= o'u .e'i do broda}.

If so then {ko} is a nice abbreviation.

btw here is an extract from an old post = by Jorge.

On Tuesday, October 25, 1994 3:23:34 AM = UTC+4, (unknown) wrote:

I just realized= that it is strange that we have a special word for
the "command mode", = but not for other similar things like the
"intentional mode", or the "vo= litional mode", etc, which are handled
with UIs, but could equally well = have been something like {ko}.
For example, say {xi'u} was the "inten= tional {mi}", then we'd have
xi'u klama l= o zarci ~ ai mi klama lo zarci
just like
&n= bsp; ko klama lo zarci ~ e'o do klama lo = zarci
I don't see why the imperative is somehow more fundamental than= the
intentional, volitional, and all the others.
It would be inte= resting to make a list of the attitudinals that change
the sentence to o= paque mode, like {ai} and {e'o}.
This is assuming I'm right that {ai = mi klama lo zarci} means
"I intend that there be a store such that I go = to it" and not
"there is a store such that I intend to go to it".
= Jorge

On Sunday, August 19, 2012 8:51:50 AM UTC+4, .arp= is. wrote:

W= ait a minute. arpis's example of a request using imperatives was in English= . In Lojban, the imperative meaning is always and only that of giving an or= der/command, i.e., telling someone to do something (, which in English also= carries the expectation that the command will be obeyed), or as hinted by = someone, to cause the sentence to be true.

My point is that "telling someone to do somethi= ng" is a much broader category of utterances than "order/command".

stevo

One more question, whats the difference between {pe'u do},= {pe'u ko} and {ko .e'o}?

Hunh? An imp= erative is necessarily an order. That's the definition of imperative= .

On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 11:32 AM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:

{.e'u} and {ko} largely differ in the fact t= hat after insubmission after {ko} you might be executed by your commander w= hereas after {.e'u} you would probably survive. zo'o

"Insubmission" is = a new and useful word for me. Thanks for using it!

stevo

On Friday, August 17, 2012 4:24:31 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:Am 17.08.2012 13:47, schrieb Paul Predkiewi= cz:
> but {xa'e} is a rafsi of {xance}, how would you use it to say such= =20
> things as "let's go"?

-xa'e- is the rafsi, but xa'e as a cmavo is a LAhE (even though I wish= =20
it was UI) that makes it so that the sumti it's used on is treated as i= f=20
it was ko, i.e. a third-person command.

xa'e lo gerku cu cliva
"The dogs shall leave!"
"May the dogs leave!"
"I want the dogs to leave."

Whether it's very useful is another question. {.e'u} will usually be=20
enough for cohortatives at least.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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