Received: from mail-qc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:42125) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T3SsN-0005mw-3W; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:22:47 -0700 Received: by qcac11 with SMTP id c11sf6374086qca.16 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:22:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=O+RK1Gc4hj6eHH9bmHJ56xEfjTAV3y3XngB4LWePvTo=; b=LABrelgrAYyA4c7QtgeNNUtq4HErlCFmlpR+141jWyeo5O03yFWShPFAuAVe5/bCx6 +nst9JHMAHmhjvHjCy3ZxkxxwIN9WhYHtx+JFpnLP8+7SW3zodQye+tq9BDMmyCdxEYD 5PpTutfdDuPM9hLO9uy6/0Htw9KHxn4Nmf090= Received: by 10.236.186.34 with SMTP id v22mr3418392yhm.9.1345472553843; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:22:33 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.154.170 with SMTP id h30ls13819491yhk.7.gmail; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.153.6 with SMTP id e6mr8708097yhk.20.1345472553095; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.153.6 with SMTP id e6mr8708096yhk.20.1345472553060; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f170.google.com (mail-yx0-f170.google.com [209.85.213.170]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q2si4397402yhi.5.2012.08.20.07.22.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.170; Received: by mail-yx0-f170.google.com with SMTP id m10so4552297yen.15 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.25.193 with SMTP id e1mr10334500oeg.87.1345472552910; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:22:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.76.132.2 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:22:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <23861931-0238-4ac4-a76e-60a8ea1b4d75@googlegroups.com> <502E37FF.5000500@gmx.de> <3c8e9a9a-2f9b-4c00-8052-ebe2605507c8@googlegroups.com> <4e4d586e-9b38-4367-9bc8-6ac533896be3@googlegroups.com> <683d860a-1d75-4f50-995e-0d14af26fe81@googlegroups.com> <16cb34d3-9617-4ec8-80aa-b59bb003051c@googlegroups.com> From: ".arpis." Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:22:11 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] {ko}, {xa'e}, {.e'u}, {e'o} To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1f84c923dfa04c7b33dfd X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8fb1f84c923dfa04c7b33dfd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It's subtle, and I don't have a solid enough grasp to explain it, and I'd stick to the first one. My best effort explanation would be that {ko} is active in its role (observer or observed), while {do} is passive. On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Escape Landsome wrote: > Actually what is the difference between these three utterances ? > > (1) {ko catlu ko} > > (2) {ko catlu do} > > (3) {do catlu ko} > > ??? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .arpis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --e89a8fb1f84c923dfa04c7b33dfd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's subtle, and I don't have a solid enough grasp to explain it, a= nd I'd stick to the first one.

My best effort explanation would = be that {ko} is active in its role (observer or observed), while {do} is pa= ssive.

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Escape Land= some <escaaape@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually what is the difference between these three utterances ?

(1) =A0{ko catlu ko}

(2) {ko catlu do}

(3) {do catlu ko}

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