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If my memory serves, running seems the best idea.=A0 It now appears that th=
e previous thread apparently about {ro} and "any" was actually about the (a=
pparently) odd behavior of quantifiers in the proximity to intensional cont=
exts and so there is probably a double issue at hand.=A0=20

{do djicu le nu do citka ma} is a real world question embedded in an transw=
orld context, so its answer turns out to reflect both its antecedents, with=
 the issue being (at least partly) just where the quantifier goes in the th=
e whole dialogue scheme.=A0 To this there are many answers, none of them to=
tally satisfactory nor generally agreed to, so a long storm is likely.=A0 B=
ut I am (after all these years) a pessimist, so stick around for at least a=
 while and see if something useful doesn't turn up.



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Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Cowan's summary: opacity and sumti-raising
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On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:46 AM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrot=
e:

Again Google Groups didn't let me resurrect this old discussion. So please =
follow the link to follow the whole discussion.
>
>
>And now it's my turn to ask the community once again after 18 years of dis=
interest.
>
I am not sure whether to make a bowl of popcorn, or run away.

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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>If my memo=
ry serves, running seems the best idea.&nbsp; It now appears that the previ=
ous thread apparently about {ro} and "any" was actually about the (apparent=
ly) odd behavior of quantifiers in the proximity to intensional contexts an=
d so there is probably a double issue at hand.&nbsp; <br></span></div><div>=
<span>{do djicu le nu do citka ma} is a real world question embedded in an =
transworld context, so its answer turns out to reflect both its antecedents=
, with the issue being (at least partly) just where the quantifier goes in =
the the whole dialogue scheme.&nbsp; To this there are many answers, none o=
f them totally satisfactory nor generally agreed to, so a long storm is lik=
ely.&nbsp; But I am (after all these years) a pessimist, so stick around fo=
r at least a while and see if something useful doesn't turn
 up.<br></span></div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-family: times new =
roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family=
: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"l=
tr"> <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <hr size=3D"1">  <b><span style=3D"fo=
nt-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Mike S. &lt;maikxlx@gmail.com&gt;<br> <b>=
<span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> lojban@googlegroups.com <=
br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 2=
0, 2012 12:17 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span><=
/b> Re: [lojban] Cowan's summary: opacity and sumti-raising<br> </font> </d=
iv> <br>
<div id=3D"yiv667096115"><br><div class=3D"yiv667096115gmail_quote">On Mon,=
 Aug 20, 2012 at 4:46 AM, la gleki <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow=
" ymailto=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"m=
ailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>=
 wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"yiv667096115gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 =
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div>Again Google Groups didn't let me resurrect <a rel=3D"nofollow" target=
=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/V-YN3GLx4BM/di=
scussion">this </a>old discussion. So please follow the link to follow the =
whole discussion.</div>
<div><br></div><div>And now it's my turn to ask the community once again af=
ter 18 years of disinterest.<br></div></blockquote></div><br>I am not sure =
whether to make a bowl of popcorn, or run away.<br><br>



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