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Imagine there was a mirror you were using to look at yourself. There are
two relevant actions:
a) look at the yourself in the mirror, such as by turning your head = (2)
b) be seen in the mirror, presumably by moving to in front of the mirror =
(3)

(1) corresponds to doing both (2) and (3)

All three will result in you seeing yourself in the mirror (do catlu do),
but as arpis points out it's a matter of emphasis about which bit you
should do.

mu'o mi'e ros

On 21 August 2012 00:22, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:

> It's subtle, and I don't have a solid enough grasp to explain it, and I'd
> stick to the first one.
>
> My best effort explanation would be that {ko} is active in its role
> (observer or observed), while {do} is passive.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Escape Landsome <escaaape@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Actually what is the difference between these three utterances ?
>>
>> (1)  {ko catlu ko}
>>
>> (2) {ko catlu do}
>>
>> (3) {do catlu ko}
>>
>> ???
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Imagine there was a mirror you were using to look at yourself. There are tw=
o relevant actions:<br>a) look at the yourself in the mirror, such as by tu=
rning your head =3D (2)<br>b) be seen in the mirror, presumably by moving t=
o in front of the mirror =3D (3)<br>

<br>(1) corresponds to doing both (2) and (3)<br><br>All three will result =
in you seeing yourself in the mirror (do catlu do), but as arpis points out=
 it&#39;s a matter of emphasis about which bit you should do.<br><br>mu&#39=
;o mi&#39;e ros<br>

<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 21 August 2012 00:22, .arpis. <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">

It&#39;s subtle, and I don&#39;t have a solid enough grasp to explain it, a=
nd I&#39;d stick to the first one.<br><br>My best effort explanation would =
be that {ko} is active in its role (observer or observed), while {do} is pa=
ssive.<div class=3D"HOEnZb">

<div class=3D"h5"><br>

<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Escape Land=
some <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:escaaape@gmail.com" target=3D"=
_blank">escaaape@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-le=
ft:1ex">



Actually what is the difference between these three utterances ?<br>
<br>
(1) =A0{ko catlu ko}<br>
<br>
(2) {ko catlu do}<br>
<br>
(3) {do catlu ko}<br>
<br>
???<br>
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