Received: from mail-we0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]:54454) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T3lzP-0004Jx-Sg; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 03:47:24 -0700 Received: by weyu3 with SMTP id u3sf2157355wey.16 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 03:47:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=f3fqOwtLenc9UbHC3++woCJufsC7qwNbBgwdI86lgPw=; b=wwvM/FCna4gt4IIZmJImCFaaIbsY3NaH7uRuzMEhGD4aKcr1KifIumgjOzqtEfNWEK qKkoxNBiXU+v6s7GzRXN4Oj6Z5oZFI38HGtV5sj8oJoGEwyjAZPkan/t3XaYNkU4N497 u5tJkAQ3e+8yGqt6+kwfAEX/FNyq07idOZYhY= Received: by 10.216.237.100 with SMTP id x78mr361058weq.59.1345546028011; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 03:47:08 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.90.134 with SMTP id bw6ls5285435wib.1.canary; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 03:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.24.135 with SMTP id u7mr2367505wif.3.1345546027129; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 03:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.24.135 with SMTP id u7mr2367504wif.3.1345546027117; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 03:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dd17822.kasserver.com (dd17822.kasserver.com. [85.13.138.119]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i17si3822768wiw.0.2012.08.21.03.47.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 21 Aug 2012 03:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) client-ip=85.13.138.119; Received: from samsa (brln-4d0ce0af.pool.mediaWays.net [77.12.224.175]) by dd17822.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4A3EB860B04 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:47:06 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:47:05 +0200 From: v4hn To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] {ko}, {xa'e}, {.e'u}, {e'o} Message-ID: <20120821104705.GB15318@samsa> References: <683d860a-1d75-4f50-995e-0d14af26fe81@googlegroups.com> <16cb34d3-9617-4ec8-80aa-b59bb003051c@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cvVnyQ+4j833TQvp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: me@v4hn.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) smtp.mail=me@v4hn.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --cvVnyQ+4j833TQvp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable coi On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:27:49AM +0200, Escape Landsome wrote: > Wow, the presence of a mirror really helps you, that's fantastic. The mirror is not needed at all. You could give the same examples with "Move (some part of) yourself into your own line of sight!" vs "Change your line of sight such as to view yourself!". > But can you still explain things like that for, say : >=20 > (1) {do guska ko} vs {ko guska do} vs {ko guska ko} What is this supposed to mean? "scrape yourself off something"? Anyways, (1a) "Make yourself be scraped off (by yourself)!" (maybe you have to "scrape off" someone, but are allowed to choose whether it's yourself or someone else?[0]) vs. (1b) "Scrape yourself off" vs. (1a) .ije (1b) > (2) {do catra ko} vs {ko catra do} vs {ko catra ko} Same thing: (2a) "Make yourself be the one killed by yourself" vs (2b) "Kill yourself" vs (2a) .ije (2b) In (2a) the action you should take is to die. in (2b) it's to kill. mu'o mi'e la .van. --- [0] - I have absolutely no idea what this could mean {u'iru'e} --cvVnyQ+4j833TQvp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlAzZykACgkQMBKLZs4+wjxaCACfcYY5z/oMI3bpfuI+DhkYMAyQ jLYAn3z/5SYfSlpa7ykiJxj9E+fgk6PI =pZ9T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cvVnyQ+4j833TQvp--