Received: from mail-we0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]:62401) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T3pUE-0006md-Cv; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:31:28 -0700 Received: by weyu3 with SMTP id u3sf2214369wey.16 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:31:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=WJUvKjozkn67QB/+n2p7QSQDxzTeQOvr1/gIoUrUBbg=; b=bNtQCYeGL/5KXowDtg4vlyio7k30REZQQKsCtNa9YZEXh6LDqaBrO6nCprDnN39U6C Cm9SG8yjr808QrQoYX0lvqOrwDJmFhbT9QIR6l/kt39SUhzAmctE+cURuPFg9+MLbHe9 y9ShZ5/FPNsjTJfhIDMvqGWNG5hWj/0hFPlAU= Received: by 10.216.134.148 with SMTP id s20mr304776wei.45.1345559468899; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:31:08 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.211.133 with SMTP id w5ls441197weo.8.gmail; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.88.195 with SMTP id bi3mr2482497wib.3.1345559467424; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.88.195 with SMTP id bi3mr2482496wib.3.1345559467406; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dd17822.kasserver.com (dd17822.kasserver.com. [85.13.138.119]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hm1si362750wib.3.2012.08.21.07.31.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) client-ip=85.13.138.119; Received: from samsa (brln-4db81b33.pool.mediaWays.net [77.184.27.51]) by dd17822.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id AF06C860AFB for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:31:06 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:31:06 +0200 From: v4hn To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] {ko}, {xa'e}, {.e'u}, {e'o} Message-ID: <20120821143106.GC15318@samsa> References: <16cb34d3-9617-4ec8-80aa-b59bb003051c@googlegroups.com> <20120821104705.GB15318@samsa> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0vzXIDBeUiKkjNJl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: me@v4hn.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) smtp.mail=me@v4hn.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --0vzXIDBeUiKkjNJl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 03:59:40PM +0200, Escape Landsome wrote: > What do you mean exactly ? >=20 > That I should kill me but specifically die, the killing part being not > so important ? You're talking about {.i do catra ko}, I presume. Maybe it's not important in the command, yes. If you think it is equally important, then just use {ko} only and don't mix {ko} and {do}? Imagine the following scenario: For some obscure reason you have to kill someone. There's no way around it and you can't do anything about it. You just got to kill someone. and you tell someone {.i ei mi ba catra zo'e} (the zo'e meaning "anyone" in this context as the "any" discussion is still going on..) Your dialog partner will probably be shocked and, if he's sure he can't convince you of not doing it, might say something like {.i e'o do catra ko} meaning "Make yourself the one who you kill." just some ideas... v4hn --0vzXIDBeUiKkjNJl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlAzm6oACgkQMBKLZs4+wjznrQCgnFhYEs97HXcpHipGoXfVhoM/ OUAAnR5bGr9Gik+OMBK40quyZRhJFKRO =MWkA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0vzXIDBeUiKkjNJl--