German am going to : Dictionary / W=C3=B6rterbuch (BEOLINGUS, TU Chemnitz)<= http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/dings.cgi?lang=3Den&service=3Ddeen&opterrors=3D0= &optpro=3D0&query=3Dam+going+to&iservice=3D&comment=3D&email=3D> audio samples forvo.com 10.Some dictionaries contain audio samples. 11.Notice that Punjabi, Bengali and Hindi (together with Urdu) are quite=20 similar. You usually should get the same sounding. 12. So prepare the sounding using standard methods of it's adapting to=20 lojban phonology as described in the CLL. 13.Now let's use scoreGismu perl app. For "stomach" we get cmn vei 0.253388 eng beli 0.22019 spa bientre 0.097425 ara muada=20 0.092683 hin pet 0.087398 ben pet 0.058401 rus jeludyk 0.053388 por=20 bariga 0.050271 jap xara 0.033198 pun pet 0.028692 deu magen 0.028184 = =20 fra vontr 0.025474=20 With first 4 languages it outputs=20 *vreli velti venli velbi* 0.691286 (rating) With all 12 languages it=20 outputs *vetli* 0.535 (rating)=20 I'd choose {vetli} as it's similar to Chinese vei, English belly, Indian=20 "pet" and Romance "ventr-" For "back of human body" we get cmn beiji 0.253388 eng bak 0.22019 spa espalda 0.097425 ara vyxra=20 0.092683 hin pic 0.087398 ben pic 0.058401 rus spin 0.053388 por kostas= =20 0.050271 jap se 0.033198 pun pic 0.028692 deu riuk 0.028184 fra dos=20 0.025474=20 Top score is bekpi bajdi 0.50684 4 langs bekpi 0.4697 12 langs=20 I'd choose {bekpi} which reminds me of Chinese bei, English back, Indian=20 pic and Russian sPIna. Robin approved them several hours ago in chat but I'm free to suggestions. *Notes.* Still 6 languages is enough. 4 languages are not enough. More than 12=20 languages is a useless waste of time (but If you can collect translations= =20 please do). --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lo= jban/-/zzBTeq2FzQwJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. ------=_Part_19_15880709.1345561656963 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robin wanted those two new gismu and so I started preparing their sounding.=

At first I asked myself "Are those frequencies taken fr= om Atlas of the world true or correct? Are there any flaws in the method of= generating gismu from 6 languages?"

So here is my= new method.

1.At first I opened this wikipedia article. Unfortunately = Wikipedia just removed the data that we need in it's newer revisions o= f the page.

2.Write out the number of native (I'll call them L1) = speakers of first most common languages. Determine the number of L2 speaker= s as L2=3D(total number of speakers - L1 speakers).

3. In one spe= cial case we have L3 speakers.

4. Determine the corrected frequen= cy as =3DL1+L2 / 2 + L3 / 3

5. Leave first 12 languages (I'll tel= l you later why 12)

5. Convert them to fractions so that the sum= =3D1.

6.Therefore we get (3-letter ISO-codes of languages in the = 1st column)

	l1	l2	l3	total	cor.freq.	fraction
cmn	845	180		1025	935	0.246117
eng	375	375	750		812.5	0.213872
spa	329	61		390	359.5	0.09463
ara	232	220		452	342	0.090024
hin	240	165		405	322.5	0.084891
ben	181	69		250	215.5	0.056725
rus	144	106		250	197	0.051856
por	178	15		193	185.5	0.048829
jap	122	1		123	122.5	0.032245
pun	109	0		109	109	0.028692
deu	90	28		118	104	0.027376
fra	68	52		120	94	0.024743
jav	85	0		85	85
wu	77	0		77	77
mar	75	3			76.5
tel	70	5		75	72.5
vie	69	0		69	69

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7.Now some general stuff. I stopped at Fre= nch cuz it's a Romance language similar to Poruguese and Spanish so it migh= t shift the frequencies of phonemes a bit.

8.Punjabi and Beng= ali are no longer considered as variations of Hindi.

9.Now let's find etymologies for our gismu.

I can recommend th= e following links (warning! unsorted)

for translitera= ting Arabic script robsmart.co.uk =C2=BB= Transliteration again =E2=80=A6 now complete

pun= jabi dic stomach | Meaning of stomach | Punjabi= Dictionary | iJunoon

punjabi dic Punjabi(= Gurmukhi,Shahmukhi) to English Dictionary:: ACTDPL Punjabi University, Pati= ala

Hindi stomach meaning in Hindi and English - Sh= abdkosh.com | =E0=A4=B6=E0=A4=AC=E0=A5=8D=E0=A4=A6=E0=A4=95=E0=A5=8B=E0=A4= =B6.=E0=A4=95=E0=A5=89=E0=A4=AE

Hindi English to Hindi Dictionary and Translation

Hindi English Dictionary Online

Bengali&= nbsp;stomach meaning in Bengali = and English - Shabdkosh.com | =E0=A6=85=E0=A6=AD=E0=A6=BF=E0=A6=A7=E0=A6=BE= =E0=A6=A8.=E0=A4=95=E0=A5=89=E0=A4=AE

Bengali&nbs= p;stomach - A Bengali-English dictionary

intend translation Portuguese |= English-Portuguese dictionary | Reverso Collins

= Japanese Find words - Denshi Jis= ho

German am g= oing to : Dictionary / W=C3=B6rterbuch (BEOLINGUS, TU Chemnitz)

audio samples forvo.com

10.Some dictionaries contain audio sampl= es.

11.Notice that Punjabi, Bengali and Hindi (together with Urdu= ) are quite similar. You usually should get the same sounding.

12= . So prepare the sounding using standard methods of it's adapting to lojban= phonology as described in the CLL.

13.Now let's use scoreGismu p= erl app.

For "stomach" we get

cmn	vei	0.253388
eng	beli	0.22019
spa	bientre	0.097425
ara	muada	0.092683
hin	pet	0.087398
ben	pet	0.058401
rus	jeludyk	0.053388
por	bariga	0.050271
jap	xara	0.033198
pun	pet	0.028692
deu	magen	0.028184
fra	vontr	0.025474

With first 4 languages it outputs = ;

vreli velti venli velbi	0.691286 (rating)
With all 12 languages it = ;outputs
= vetli	0.535 (rating)

I'd choose {vetli}= as it's similar to Chinese vei, English belly, Indian "pet" and Romance "v= entr-"

For "back of human body" we = get

cmn	beiji	0.253388
eng	bak	0.22019
spa	espalda	0.097425
ara	vyxra	0.092683
hin	pic	0.087398
ben	pic	0.058401
rus	spin	0.053388
por	kostas	0.050271
jap	se	0.033198
pun	pic	0.028692
deu	riuk	0.028184
fra	dos	0.025474

Top score is
bekpi bajdi	0.50684	4 langs

= bekpi	0.4697	12 langs

I'd choose {bekpi} which reminds me of= Chinese bei, English back, Indian pic and Russian sPIna.

Robin approved them several hours ago in chat but I'm free to sugge= stions.

Notes.

Still 6 languages = is enough. 4 languages are not enough. More than 12 languages is a useless = waste of time (but If you can collect translations please do).

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