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Subject: Re: [lojban] Two new gismu, "stomach" and "back of body". And a
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On Tuesday 21 August 2012 11:07:36 la gleki wrote:
> For "stomach" we get
>   cmn vei 0.253388  eng beli 0.22019  spa bientre 0.097425  ara muada
> 0.092683  hin pet 0.087398  ben pet 0.058401  rus jeludyk 0.053388  por
> bariga 0.050271  jap xara 0.033198  pun pet 0.028692  deu magen 0.028184
> fra vontr 0.025474
> With first 4 languages it outputs
>   *vreli velti venli velbi* 0.691286 (rating)  With all 12 languages it
>  outputs  *vetli* 0.535
> (rating)
>
>
> I'd choose {vetli} as it's similar to Chinese vei, English belly, Indian
> "pet" and Romance "ventr-"

I would use neither "belly" nor "vientre", as they mean "betfu" which we=20
already have. The Spanish for "stomach" is "est=F3mago". "slamycanti" was=
=20
proposed some years ago.

> For "back of human body" we get
>  cmn beiji 0.253388  eng bak 0.22019  spa espalda 0.097425  ara vyxra
> 0.092683  hin pic 0.087398  ben pic 0.058401  rus spin 0.053388  por kost=
as
> 0.050271  jap se 0.033198  pun pic 0.028692  deu riuk 0.028184  fra dos
> 0.025474
>  Top score is  bekpi bajdi 0.50684 4 langs    bekpi 0.4697 12 langs
> I'd choose {bekpi} which reminds me of Chinese bei, English back, Indian
> pic and Russian sPIna.

I agree that we need a word to distinguish back, the dorsal side of an anim=
al,=20
from back, the area behind something. They are the same side for a human, b=
ut=20
not for most vertebrates. This word sounds good. Also, I think we need a wo=
rd=20
for the ventral side of an animal.

Pedantically, the upper back is "espalda" (the French cognate=20
means "shoulder", which is also the first sense in Vel=E1zquez), the lower=
=20
is "lomo", and the whole thing is "dorso", but I've heard people call the=
=20
whole back "espalda" and not know the word "dorso". Also the "s" is silent =
in=20
French "dos".

Pierre
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I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales.

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