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Subject: Re: [lojban] Two new gismu, "stomach" and "back of body". And a
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On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 7:33:46 PM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:
>
> On Tuesday 21 August 2012 11:07:36 la gleki wrote:=20
> > For "stomach" we get=20
> >   cmn vei 0.253388  eng beli 0.22019  spa bientre 0.097425  ara muada=
=20
> > 0.092683  hin pet 0.087398  ben pet 0.058401  rus jeludyk 0.053388  por=
=20
> > bariga 0.050271  jap xara 0.033198  pun pet 0.028692  deu magen 0.02818=
4=20
> > fra vontr 0.025474=20
> > With first 4 languages it outputs=20
> >   *vreli velti venli velbi* 0.691286 (rating)  With all 12 languages it=
=20
> >  outputs  *vetli* 0.535=20
> > (rating)=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > I'd choose {vetli} as it's similar to Chinese vei, English belly, India=
n=20
> > "pet" and Romance "ventr-"=20
>
> I would use neither "belly" nor "vientre", as they mean "betfu" which we=
=20
> already have. The Spanish for "stomach" is "est=F3mago". "slamycanti" was=
=20
> proposed some years ago.=20
>
Robin asked me to add them to jvs but I see now he was too hasty.

>
> > For "back of human body" we get=20
> >  cmn beiji 0.253388  eng bak 0.22019  spa espalda 0.097425  ara vyxra=
=20
> > 0.092683  hin pic 0.087398  ben pic 0.058401  rus spin 0.053388  por=20
> kostas=20
> > 0.050271  jap se 0.033198  pun pic 0.028692  deu riuk 0.028184  fra dos=
=20
> > 0.025474=20
> >  Top score is  bekpi bajdi 0.50684 4 langs    bekpi 0.4697 12 langs=20
> > I'd choose {bekpi} which reminds me of Chinese bei, English back, India=
n=20
> > pic and Russian sPIna.=20
>
> I agree that we need a word to distinguish back, the dorsal side of an=20
> animal,=20
> from back, the area behind something. They are the same side for a human,=
=20
> but=20
> not for most vertebrates. This word sounds good. Also, I think we need a=
=20
> word=20
> for the ventral side of an animal.=20
>
> Pedantically, the upper back is "espalda" (the French cognate=20
> means "shoulder", which is also the first sense in Vel=E1zquez), the lowe=
r=20
> is "lomo", and the whole thing is "dorso", but I've heard people call the=
=20
> whole back "espalda" and not know the word "dorso". Also the "s" is silen=
t=20
> in=20
> French "dos".=20
>
> Pierre=20
> --=20
> I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales.=20
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<br><br>On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 7:33:46 PM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:<b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;borde=
r-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">On Tuesday 21 August 2012 11:07:=
36 la gleki wrote:
<br>&gt; For "stomach" we get
<br>&gt; &nbsp; cmn vei 0.253388 &nbsp;eng beli 0.22019 &nbsp;spa bientre 0=
.097425 &nbsp;ara muada
<br>&gt; 0.092683 &nbsp;hin pet 0.087398 &nbsp;ben pet 0.058401 &nbsp;rus j=
eludyk 0.053388 &nbsp;por
<br>&gt; bariga 0.050271 &nbsp;jap xara 0.033198 &nbsp;pun pet 0.028692 &nb=
sp;deu magen 0.028184
<br>&gt; fra vontr 0.025474
<br>&gt; With first 4 languages it outputs
<br>&gt; &nbsp; *vreli velti venli velbi* 0.691286 (rating) &nbsp;With all =
12 languages it
<br>&gt; &nbsp;outputs &nbsp;*vetli* 0.535
<br>&gt; (rating)
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; I'd choose {vetli} as it's similar to Chinese vei, English belly, =
Indian
<br>&gt; "pet" and Romance "ventr-"
<br>
<br>I would use neither "belly" nor "vientre", as they mean "betfu" which w=
e=20
<br>already have. The Spanish for "stomach" is "est=F3mago". "slamycanti" w=
as=20
<br>proposed some years ago.
<br></blockquote><div>Robin asked me to add them to jvs but I see now he wa=
s too hasty.</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;marg=
in-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>&gt; For "back of human body" we get
<br>&gt; &nbsp;cmn beiji 0.253388 &nbsp;eng bak 0.22019 &nbsp;spa espalda 0=
.097425 &nbsp;ara vyxra
<br>&gt; 0.092683 &nbsp;hin pic 0.087398 &nbsp;ben pic 0.058401 &nbsp;rus s=
pin 0.053388 &nbsp;por kostas
<br>&gt; 0.050271 &nbsp;jap se 0.033198 &nbsp;pun pic 0.028692 &nbsp;deu ri=
uk 0.028184 &nbsp;fra dos
<br>&gt; 0.025474
<br>&gt; &nbsp;Top score is &nbsp;bekpi bajdi 0.50684 4 langs &nbsp; &nbsp;=
bekpi 0.4697 12 langs
<br>&gt; I'd choose {bekpi} which reminds me of Chinese bei, English back, =
Indian
<br>&gt; pic and Russian sPIna.
<br>
<br>I agree that we need a word to distinguish back, the dorsal side of an =
animal,=20
<br>from back, the area behind something. They are the same side for a huma=
n, but=20
<br>not for most vertebrates. This word sounds good. Also, I think we need =
a word=20
<br>for the ventral side of an animal.
<br>
<br>Pedantically, the upper back is "espalda" (the French cognate=20
<br>means "shoulder", which is also the first sense in Vel=E1zquez), the lo=
wer=20
<br>is "lomo", and the whole thing is "dorso", but I've heard people call t=
he=20
<br>whole back "espalda" and not know the word "dorso". Also the "s" is sil=
ent in=20
<br>French "dos".
<br>
<br>Pierre
<br>--=20
<br>I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales.
<br></blockquote>

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