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Il giorno domenica 19 agosto 2012, Jonathan Jones ha scritto:

> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Mike S. <maikxlx@gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'maikxlx@gmail.com');>
> > wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'eyeonus@gmail.com');>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm not talking about what should and should not be allowed. All I'm
>>> saying is that in Lojban, {ii}, is pronounced "yee", and {i} is pronounced
>>> "ee".
>>
>>
>> But no one disputes those pronunciations.  What's being discussed is
>> whether it is a *good idea* to use it in fu'ivla like suggested {dzombii}.
>> It was already pointed out that {ii} is difficult for many globally.   In
>> fact, {ii} is very marginal even in Lojban.  TTBOMK it was totally kept out
>> of native vocabulary except for the interjection {.ii}, which I think was
>> wise.  It'd probably be best to generally keep it and {uu} out of fu'ivla
>> too.
>>
>
> The reason I brought it up is because someone was comparing {i} and {ii}
> to the single and double "i" in "principii" vs. "principi", which to my
> knowledge is a false comparison, because the difference between "i" and
> "ii" in THAT examples is not pronunciation, but vowel length ("ee" vs.
> "eeee").
>
>
> --
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>
> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
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<br><br>Il giorno domenica 19 agosto 2012, Jonathan Jones  ha scritto:<br><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 18, 20=
12 at 8:27 PM, Mike S. <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:_e({}, &=
#39;cvml&#39;, &#39;maikxlx@gmail.com&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">maikxlx@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Jonathan J=
ones <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:_e({}, &#39;cvml&#39;, &#3=
9;eyeonus@gmail.com&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</sp=
an> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"></div><br></div></div>I&#39;m not talk=
ing about what should and should not be allowed. All I&#39;m saying is that=
 in Lojban, {ii}, is pronounced &quot;yee&quot;, and {i} is pronounced &quo=
t;ee&quot;.</blockquote>


</div><br></div>But no one disputes those pronunciations.=A0 What&#39;s bei=
ng discussed is whether it is a *good idea* to use it in fu&#39;ivla like s=
uggested {dzombii}.=A0 It was already
pointed out that {ii} is difficult for many globally.=A0=A0 In fact, {ii} i=
s
 very marginal even in Lojban.=A0 TTBOMK it was totally kept out of native=
=20
vocabulary except for the interjection {.ii}, which I think was wise.=A0 It=
&#39;d probably be=20
best to generally keep it and {uu} out of fu&#39;ivla too.<br></blockquote>=
<div><br>The reason I brought it up is because someone was comparing {i} an=
d {ii} to the single and double &quot;i&quot; in &quot;principii&quot; vs. =
&quot;principi&quot;, which to my knowledge is a false comparison, because =
the difference between &quot;i&quot; and &quot;ii&quot; in THAT examples is=
 not pronunciation, but vowel length (&quot;ee&quot; vs. &quot;eeee&quot;).=
<br>

</div></div><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>=
.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;=
o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br><br>

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