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For learning Lojban, Minecraft is better than a conversation.

In a conversation, the participants have to come up with something to
talk about, which they often decline to do, or attempt to be the last
person to do. And when they do, it's usually not very interesting. Too
much of the effort of the participants goes to figuring out what to
communicate about, rather than to communicating.

Minecraft gives you goal-oriented behavior to talk about. These goals
motivate you to attempt to convey meaning to the other players. Also,
Minecraft lets you visibly point at things or provide other visual
hints to the meaning of your words. These are extremely important for
learning!

Conversation expands and limits the range of topics in bad ways
(philosophy, science fiction, computer programming, all of which rely
heavily on jargon). Minecraft expands and limits the range of topics
in a good way ("I'm hungry. Give me grain." "Help! Watch out for that
spider!" "Put the wood on top of the stone.").

I am extremely interested in participating in these sessions.

-Eppcott

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:34 AM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
> Am 22.08.2012 04:28, schrieb Jonathan Strickland:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>
>> 1). Are you interested in something like this?
>> 2). Do you think the once-a-month new world format is a good idea?
>> 3). What times work best for you?
>> 4). Do you have any suggestions for ways to make this better?
>>
>> Having a voicechat server while we play is also a possibility, but that
>> would exclude people who don't have microphones or have to play in quiet
>> areas. If enough people can do that and want to do that, though, feel free.
>> There's no reason to feel intimidated by the game; there are several
>> experienced players (including myself) who would be happy to help if we get
>> this thing going. There's always something to do, even if you're not the
>> best builder or especially good at videogames.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>
>
> First of all, this is surely fun for those who already play Minecraf and I
> approve of any lojbanic activity there is. However, if the point is to
> practice Lojban and to socialize, then why not just have an normal
> conversation in Lojban? Some of us regularly hang out on the mumble server,
> and you'd certainly get more practice this way than while playing a game.
> Describing the environment and whatnot in the game can be a challenge, but
> you can equally well describe the real-life environment of where you are and
> what you've done during the day etc.
> That said, I do not want to discourage you or anybody else from doing this,
> I just think that just plain mumble would be more efficient (*if* the point
> is to get better at lojban). I think you at least need voice chat in
> minecraft to really profit. I also think that practicing a langauge only
> once a month is not at all enough. The most effective method would be to
> speak Lojban on irc daily and to have mumble conversations at least a few
> times a week.
>
> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
>
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