Received: from mail-iy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.210.189]:52640) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T4YPG-0003tU-TW; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:29:20 -0700 Received: by iadx2 with SMTP id x2sf547593iad.16 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:29:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=JgWJqUyhvR1cRHRBEOLJHWyknjcWqsfmTsTj1M1nVFE=; b=GF4JuO4QdjyX5gku9Ab1QdyB0h2ngOnpTOqsMOzDW/Y++mAgugzazFEPgB8ESMGgZG s8ZGfWsAF/4LvhCyBB+U2IYsm2GFTUEMtowp15lpHCIndY6HFM7/B2Ga6Xd1MyU3TqnD YvcM1UJtbQAhiH1k+eakHdvbE+AqeIIEL1Do3Pik7QsHu73pFtQEOBRAmJuiu+PIDMUa S4eNf0Pu+/LCgwQqsxrqg/MKIXcIsugqkaDuourKVA95jy83ErM5jp+wjF1QhzycuU3N 8meyeVuRSlsF3MzB8hvxNUxClMZYuvJnb6qYihtnSqpRur9tqlAQRAfxuHVQi/JQfA+z Y/Dg== Received: by 10.52.99.8 with SMTP id em8mr182787vdb.16.1345732144085; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:29:04 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.221.0.70 with SMTP id nl6ls395185vcb.5.gmail; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.59.5.73 with SMTP id ck9mr495739ved.15.1345732143462; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.59.5.73 with SMTP id ck9mr495738ved.15.1345732143449; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-f176.google.com (mail-vc0-f176.google.com [209.85.220.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y4si1412712vds.2.2012.08.23.07.29.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.176; Received: by mail-vc0-f176.google.com with SMTP id fl11so1132439vcb.21 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:29:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.21.179 with SMTP id w19mr1201825vde.58.1345732143229; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.4.193 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:29:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4FFE5CB0.7050506@gmail.com> <41a043f3-4116-45ad-baab-730e89b69637@googlegroups.com> <4FFF61CF.9080807@gmail.com> <4FFF8D51.7070002@gmail.com> <4FFF9080.5000800@gmail.com> <4FFFA544.5070404@gmail.com> <4FFFAF56.7050901@gmail.com> <4FFFCCAD.5070809@gmail.com> <5000966F.0@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:29:03 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Gender, yet again. From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307d06785c2b7404c7efae19 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --20cf307d06785c2b7404c7efae19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 3:43 PM, vitci'i wrote: > >> On 07/13/2012 10:49 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> > I think you want to come up with a different definition. Stereotypes are >> > most definitely not deserving of words. >> >> But we can have gismu (with short rafsi!) for specific cultures? Just >> because something's essentially imaginary doesn't mean we get to ignore >> it. >> > > Stereotypes aren't imaginary. They're derogatory, insulting, and WRONG. > > Here's some stereotypes: > > All Mexicans are thieves. > > Women are weaker than men. > > Blondes are stupid. > > Irish people are alcoholics. > > I could go on, but I think this shows my point well enough. > > le'e jbopre poi du'eroi pensi lo cinse valsi cu frili sefanza vau zo'o --gejyspa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --20cf307d06785c2b7404c7efae19 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at= 5:57 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 3:43 P= M, vitci'i <celestialcognition@gmail.com> wro= te:
On 07/13/2012 10:49 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> I think you want to come up with a different definition. Stereotypes a= re
> most definitely not deserving of words.

But we can have gismu (with short rafsi!) for specific cultures? Just=
because something's essentially imaginary doesn't mean we get to ig= nore it.

Stereotypes aren't imaginary. T= hey're derogatory, insulting, and WRONG.

Here's some stereot= ypes:

All Mexicans are thieves.

Women are weaker than men.

Blon= des are stupid.

Irish people are alcoholics.

I could go on, b= ut I think this shows my point well enough.
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le'e =A0jbopre poi du'eroi pensi lo cinse valsi= cu frili sefanza =A0vau zo'o

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa




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