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I would love to participate in this at least occasionally! I just got a 
microphone too, so I'd even be able to voice chat!

On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:28:01 PM UTC-4, Jonathan Strickland wrote:
>
> I've been playing minecraft regularly for about 2 years. I played on the 
> lojban.org minecraft server when it was up. I've been playing with other 
> lojbanists since that server went down, and I know there's a lot of 
> lojbanists that play minecraft (or have purchased minecraft and don't play 
> anymore) that might be interested in starting to play together again.
>
> Minecraft is by far the most social game I've played, and I feel the 
> lojban community could get a lot out of it if we started taking advantage 
> of it again. I propose a once-a-month minecraft server that goes up for a 
> week (probably starting friday night) where players can work together while 
> speaking only lojban and try to beat the game.
>
> Minecraft has come quite a long way since the old server was up, and I 
> think hosting a server once a month, with a new map each month, would 
> encourage people to work together, speak and learn lojban, and grow closer 
> as a community while having fun. There's lots of things to do, regardless 
> of how you like to play. Collecting resources, farming, writing books, 
> fighting monsters, and building is the closest to lojbanistan we can get 
> right now :)
>
> One of the problems with the old server was that people would join, build 
> things, and then not come back as often until they stopped coming back at 
> all. When a server gets to be large and there isn't that much to do besides 
> sustain what there already is, it's not as interesting. I think starting a 
> new map each month would give people the opportunity to feel involved from 
> the beginning, and keep people from being intimidated by having to learn 
> everything that's already been done and built. I enjoy minecraft the most 
> when starting out in a new world and working with others, starting equally 
> naked and helpless, and I know a lot of other people do as well.
>
> I also think a community wiki, with a glossary of terms and a description 
> of how each world went and how different people contributed might be fun. 
> Placing maps of the worlds we've made and downloads would be trivial. We 
> could also post transcripts of the chatlogs, or only parts of them that 
> parse as valid lojban.
>
> The biggest and most important change minecraft has had is the inclusion 
> of an overarching goal.  Yeah, you can actually beat minecraft now. Getting 
> there is a long and open-ended process, but instead of just building things 
> that look cool, we'd be actually trying to do something! :D
>
> If you aren't familiar with how to beat minecraft, here's how it works:
>
> 1). Collect obsidian by mixing water and lava.
> Collecting obsidian usually requires a diamond pickaxe, and diamonds are 
> one of the rarest items in the game.
>
> 2). Build a frame with the obsidian, and light the frame on fire, opening 
> a portal to the Nether.
> The Nether is a hostile, hell-like dimension. It's much more dangerous 
> than the Overworld, so bringing food, weapons, and armor is important.
>
> 3). Locate a Stronghold in the Nether.
> Strongholds are massive, complicated dungeons that have items needed for 
> progression inside. There are strongholds in the Nether, and strongholds in 
> the Overworld. Finding a stronghold in the Nether is usually much easier.
>
> 4). Find a blaze spawner, and collect blaze rods by killing blazes.
> Blazes are one of the toughest enemies in the game, and can rapidly shoot 
> projectiles that will light you on fire. Collecting blaze rods is usually a 
> team effort. They can be placed in a crafting grid to get blaze powder, or 
> used to craft a brewing station for potions.
>
> 5). Combine blaze powder with enderpearls to create eyes of ender.
> Endermen are tall, dark mobs that are passive unless you look at them in 
> the face. They pick up blocks and move them around the world, and can 
> teleport. If you make them hostile, they'll come straight at you and 
> teleport away after attempting to hit you for a while, coming back in a 
> different direction. Killing them drops enderpearls, which is combined with 
> blaze powder to create eyes of ender. Killing endermen is necessary to 
> proceed in the game. Endermen are the strongest mob in the overworld. They 
> also take damage when it's raining or when they're touching water.
>
> 6). Throw eyes of ender into the sky and follow where they land until you 
> reach a stronghold in the overworld.
> Strongholds in the overworld are generated underground. They generate 
> different rooms than Nether strongholds, and they have chests filled with 
> valuable things. They're also the only way into the End.
>
> 7). Find a portal frame inside the stronghold and place eyes of ender into 
> each of the slots.
> In (most) strongholds, there is a frame of 12 blocks above a pool of lava. 
> The blocks are only generated in strongholds, and create a portal when an 
> eye of ender is inserted into each slot. This portal leads to the End.
>
> 8). Kill the Enderdragon, and win.
> The End is the only finite map in the game. You spawn on a large floating 
> mass of land. Only endermen can spawn in the end, and they spawn in large 
> quantities. There's also a big dragon flying in the sky, attacking you. 
> Once you enter the End, there's no way out unless you beat it. The 
> enderdragon has a lot of health, and takes either a concentrated attack 
> effort or a very prepared player with a good amount of time. There are 
> large obsidian towers with gems that heal the enderdragon, and killing the 
> enderdragon results in a rain of experience and a portal to return to the 
> Overworld. It also spawns the Enderdragon Egg, a trophy to take home to 
> show you beat the game.
>
> That's how you beat minecraft. It takes a lot of skill to do alone, but 
> it's much easier (and much more fun!) when working together as a team. 
> There's also a lot of things to translate and document; if we wanted to, we 
> could try to create a lojban translation of the minecraft wiki (
> http://minecraftwiki.net), but that's a...large and comprehensive wiki.
>
> Anyway, I really look forward to social events, and I'd love to have 
> something to look forward to with lojban. I don't know of any monthly 
> lojban happenings that are going on right now, but I think this might be a 
> great thing, and I'd be willing and happy to take in the lead in making 
> this happen if enough people are interested. I was probably most actively 
> learning and speaking lojban during the time the server was up; I'd like to 
> be more active again, and this is a great incentive for me, at the very 
> least. I think that would be the case for others as well. I have a few 
> questions:
>
> 1). Are you interested in something like this?
> 2). Do you think the once-a-month new world format is a good idea?
> 3). What times work best for you?
> 4). Do you have any suggestions for ways to make this better?
>
> Having a voicechat server while we play is also a possibility, but that 
> would exclude people who don't have microphones or have to play in quiet 
> areas. If enough people can do that and want to do that, though, feel free. 
> There's no reason to feel intimidated by the game; there are several 
> experienced players (including myself) who would be happy to help if we get 
> this thing going. There's always something to do, even if you're not the 
> best builder or especially good at videogames.
>
> Thoughts?
>

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I would love to participate in this at least occasionally! I just got a mic=
rophone too, so I'd even be able to voice chat!<br><br>On Tuesday, August 2=
1, 2012 10:28:01 PM UTC-4, Jonathan Strickland wrote:<blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left: 1ex;">I've been playing minecraft regularly for about 2 ye=
ars. I played on the <a href=3D"http://lojban.org" target=3D"_blank">lojban=
.org</a> minecraft server when it was up. I've been playing with other lojb=
anists since that server went down, and I know there's a lot of lojbanists =
that play minecraft (or have purchased minecraft and don't play anymore) th=
at might be interested in starting to play together again.<br>
<br>Minecraft is by far the most social game I've played, and I feel the lo=
jban community could get a lot out of it if we started taking advantage of =
it again. I propose a once-a-month minecraft server that goes up for a week=
 (probably starting friday night) where players can work together while spe=
aking only lojban and try to beat the game.<br>
<br>Minecraft has come quite a long way since the old server was up, and I =
think hosting a server once a month, with a new map each month, would encou=
rage people to work together, speak and learn lojban, and grow closer as a =
community while having fun. There's lots of things to do, regardless of how=
 you like to play. Collecting resources, farming, writing books, fighting m=
onsters, and building is the closest to lojbanistan we can get right now :)=
<br>
<br>One of the problems with the old server was that people would join, bui=
ld things, and then not come back as often until they stopped coming back a=
t all. When a server gets to be large and there isn't that much to do besid=
es sustain what there already is, it's not as interesting. I think starting=
 a new map each month would give people the opportunity to feel involved fr=
om the beginning, and keep people from being intimidated by having to learn=
 everything that's already been done and built. I enjoy minecraft the most =
when starting out in a new world and working with others, starting equally =
naked and helpless, and I know a lot of other people do as well.<br>
<br>I also think a community wiki, with a glossary of terms and a descripti=
on of how each world went and how different people contributed might be fun=
. Placing maps of the worlds we've made and downloads would be trivial. We =
could also post transcripts of the chatlogs, or only parts of them that par=
se as valid lojban.<br>
<br>The biggest and most important change minecraft has had is the inclusio=
n of an overarching goal.&nbsp; Yeah, you can actually beat minecraft now. =
Getting there is a long and open-ended process, but instead of just buildin=
g things that look cool, we'd be actually trying to do something! :D<br>
<br>If you aren't familiar with how to beat minecraft, here's how it works:=
<br><br>1). Collect obsidian by mixing water and lava.<br>Collecting obsidi=
an usually requires a diamond pickaxe, and diamonds are one of the rarest i=
tems in the game.<br>
<br>2). Build a frame with the obsidian, and light the frame on fire, openi=
ng a portal to the Nether.<br>The Nether is a hostile, hell-like dimension.=
 It's much more dangerous than the Overworld, so bringing food, weapons, an=
d armor is important.<br>
<br>3). Locate a Stronghold in the Nether.<br>Strongholds are massive, comp=
licated dungeons that have items needed for progression inside. There are s=
trongholds in the Nether, and strongholds in the Overworld. Finding a stron=
ghold in the Nether is usually much easier.<br>
<br>4). Find a blaze spawner, and collect blaze rods by killing blazes.<br>=
Blazes are one of the toughest enemies in the game, and can rapidly shoot p=
rojectiles that will light you on fire. Collecting blaze rods is usually a =
team effort. They can be placed in a crafting grid to get blaze powder, or =
used to craft a brewing station for potions.<br>
<br>5). Combine blaze powder with enderpearls to create eyes of ender.<br>E=
ndermen are tall, dark mobs that are passive unless you look at them in the=
 face. They pick up blocks and move them around the world, and can teleport=
. If you make them hostile, they'll come straight at you and teleport away =
after attempting to hit you for a while, coming back in a different directi=
on. Killing them drops enderpearls, which is combined with blaze powder to =
create eyes of ender. Killing endermen is necessary to proceed in the game.=
 Endermen are the strongest mob in the overworld. They also take damage whe=
n it's raining or when they're touching water.<br>
<br>6). Throw eyes of ender into the sky and follow where they land until y=
ou reach a stronghold in the overworld.<br>Strongholds in the overworld are=
 generated underground. They generate different rooms than Nether stronghol=
ds, and they have chests filled with valuable things. They're also the only=
 way into the End.<br>
<br>7). Find a portal frame inside the stronghold and place eyes of ender i=
nto each of the slots.<br>In (most) strongholds, there is a frame of 12 blo=
cks above a pool of lava. The blocks are only generated in strongholds, and=
 create a portal when an eye of ender is inserted into each slot. This port=
al leads to the End.<br>
<br>8). Kill the Enderdragon, and win.<br>The End is the only finite map in=
 the game. You spawn on a large floating mass of land. Only endermen can sp=
awn in the end, and they spawn in large quantities. There's also a big drag=
on flying in the sky, attacking you. Once you enter the End, there's no way=
 out unless you beat it. The enderdragon has a lot of health, and takes eit=
her a concentrated attack effort or a very prepared player with a good amou=
nt of time. There are large obsidian towers with gems that heal the enderdr=
agon, and killing the enderdragon results in a rain of experience and a por=
tal to return to the Overworld. It also spawns the Enderdragon Egg, a troph=
y to take home to show you beat the game.<br>
<br>That's how you beat minecraft. It takes a lot of skill to do alone, but=
 it's much easier (and much more fun!) when working together as a team. The=
re's also a lot of things to translate and document; if we wanted to, we co=
uld try to create a lojban translation of the minecraft wiki (<a href=3D"ht=
tp://minecraftwiki.net" target=3D"_blank">http://minecraftwiki.net</a>), bu=
t that's a...large and comprehensive wiki.<br>
<br>Anyway, I really look forward to social events, and I'd love to have so=
mething to look forward to with lojban. I don't know of any monthly lojban =
happenings that are going on right now, but I think this might be a great t=
hing, and I'd be willing and happy to take in the lead in making this happe=
n if enough people are interested. I was probably most actively learning an=
d speaking lojban during the time the server was up; I'd like to be more ac=
tive again, and this is a great incentive for me, at the very least. I thin=
k that would be the case for others as well. I have a few questions:<br>
<br>1). Are you interested in something like this?<br>2). Do you think the =
once-a-month new world format is a good idea?<br>3). What times work best f=
or you?<br>4). Do you have any suggestions for ways to make this better?<br=
>
<br>Having a voicechat server while we play is also a possibility, but that=
 would exclude people who don't have microphones or have to play in quiet a=
reas. If enough people can do that and want to do that, though, feel free. =
There's no reason to feel intimidated by the game; there are several experi=
enced players (including myself) who would be happy to help if we get this =
thing going. There's always something to do, even if you're not the best bu=
ilder or especially good at videogames.<br>
<br>Thoughts?<br>
</blockquote>

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