Received: from mail-qc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:53360) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T4gs6-0007GA-6x; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:31:40 -0700 Received: by qcac11 with SMTP id c11sf1362607qca.16 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:31:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=KhqUD/u5kkYrhvgkw0RGXm93CQ2m6C/3YRGb/ibaNvM=; b=CfVTJXndMscU1hRWftEGsA+4ArH4MXk++SH1nSRQtitgg2mEgKYNc1ckQnR85b7L3E JdGnLdj2sRGpvkEDKfHV0oJvWWB9P9EjScLLMxYzl0lU+0PQOhnjPwpyvWEdkM0USs1N i6eIhGszDCoqy/8N/o6lUeLc57B2TLzOXKNju3UmbX0p2RrBRVldiczdtzpT/CqPySIE hNq3X6cdLGr4kqz6hTpKSNNyYtsEnIF68KocRhOZ36gCtf+yPXGox390Co3VbjqOVZoH +9P5138EzRILLrFU9D+50UTHWyu8Z8Y0AfS/goXfej3GBVUobu1FjwOloN+WQlcLpQCq Xwrw== Received: by 10.52.90.129 with SMTP id bw1mr606918vdb.13.1345764683343; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:31:23 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.93.38 with SMTP id cr6ls998001vdb.8.gmail; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.128.198 with SMTP id nq6mr1027501veb.4.1345764682657; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.128.198 with SMTP id nq6mr1027500veb.4.1345764682634; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y4si1687016vds.2.2012.08.23.16.31.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.169; Received: by vcbfl10 with SMTP id fl10so1805633vcb.14 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.75.36 with SMTP id z4mr2442360vdv.52.1345764682365; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:31:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.95.234 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:31:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <96a2bedd-07f5-4b0a-b712-9ac39eee92bc@googlegroups.com> References: <96a2bedd-07f5-4b0a-b712-9ac39eee92bc@googlegroups.com> From: Jacob Errington Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:31:02 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: a minecraft proposal To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec5016057d7fcac04c7f74147 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec5016057d7fcac04c7f74147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Voice chat, for sure. Run mumble in the background. .i mi'e la tsani mu'o On 23 August 2012 14:05, triliyn wrote: > I would love to participate in this at least occasionally! I just got a > microphone too, so I'd even be able to voice chat! > > > On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:28:01 PM UTC-4, Jonathan Strickland wrote: >> >> I've been playing minecraft regularly for about 2 years. I played on the >> lojban.org minecraft server when it was up. I've been playing with other >> lojbanists since that server went down, and I know there's a lot of >> lojbanists that play minecraft (or have purchased minecraft and don't play >> anymore) that might be interested in starting to play together again. >> >> Minecraft is by far the most social game I've played, and I feel the >> lojban community could get a lot out of it if we started taking advantage >> of it again. I propose a once-a-month minecraft server that goes up for a >> week (probably starting friday night) where players can work together while >> speaking only lojban and try to beat the game. >> >> Minecraft has come quite a long way since the old server was up, and I >> think hosting a server once a month, with a new map each month, would >> encourage people to work together, speak and learn lojban, and grow closer >> as a community while having fun. There's lots of things to do, regardless >> of how you like to play. Collecting resources, farming, writing books, >> fighting monsters, and building is the closest to lojbanistan we can get >> right now :) >> >> One of the problems with the old server was that people would join, build >> things, and then not come back as often until they stopped coming back at >> all. When a server gets to be large and there isn't that much to do besides >> sustain what there already is, it's not as interesting. I think starting a >> new map each month would give people the opportunity to feel involved from >> the beginning, and keep people from being intimidated by having to learn >> everything that's already been done and built. I enjoy minecraft the most >> when starting out in a new world and working with others, starting equally >> naked and helpless, and I know a lot of other people do as well. >> >> I also think a community wiki, with a glossary of terms and a description >> of how each world went and how different people contributed might be fun. >> Placing maps of the worlds we've made and downloads would be trivial. We >> could also post transcripts of the chatlogs, or only parts of them that >> parse as valid lojban. >> >> The biggest and most important change minecraft has had is the inclusion >> of an overarching goal. Yeah, you can actually beat minecraft now. Getting >> there is a long and open-ended process, but instead of just building things >> that look cool, we'd be actually trying to do something! :D >> >> If you aren't familiar with how to beat minecraft, here's how it works: >> >> 1). Collect obsidian by mixing water and lava. >> Collecting obsidian usually requires a diamond pickaxe, and diamonds are >> one of the rarest items in the game. >> >> 2). Build a frame with the obsidian, and light the frame on fire, opening >> a portal to the Nether. >> The Nether is a hostile, hell-like dimension. It's much more dangerous >> than the Overworld, so bringing food, weapons, and armor is important. >> >> 3). Locate a Stronghold in the Nether. >> Strongholds are massive, complicated dungeons that have items needed for >> progression inside. There are strongholds in the Nether, and strongholds in >> the Overworld. Finding a stronghold in the Nether is usually much easier. >> >> 4). Find a blaze spawner, and collect blaze rods by killing blazes. >> Blazes are one of the toughest enemies in the game, and can rapidly shoot >> projectiles that will light you on fire. Collecting blaze rods is usually a >> team effort. They can be placed in a crafting grid to get blaze powder, or >> used to craft a brewing station for potions. >> >> 5). Combine blaze powder with enderpearls to create eyes of ender. >> Endermen are tall, dark mobs that are passive unless you look at them in >> the face. They pick up blocks and move them around the world, and can >> teleport. If you make them hostile, they'll come straight at you and >> teleport away after attempting to hit you for a while, coming back in a >> different direction. Killing them drops enderpearls, which is combined with >> blaze powder to create eyes of ender. Killing endermen is necessary to >> proceed in the game. Endermen are the strongest mob in the overworld. They >> also take damage when it's raining or when they're touching water. >> >> 6). Throw eyes of ender into the sky and follow where they land until you >> reach a stronghold in the overworld. >> Strongholds in the overworld are generated underground. They generate >> different rooms than Nether strongholds, and they have chests filled with >> valuable things. They're also the only way into the End. >> >> 7). Find a portal frame inside the stronghold and place eyes of ender >> into each of the slots. >> In (most) strongholds, there is a frame of 12 blocks above a pool of >> lava. The blocks are only generated in strongholds, and create a portal >> when an eye of ender is inserted into each slot. This portal leads to the >> End. >> >> 8). Kill the Enderdragon, and win. >> The End is the only finite map in the game. You spawn on a large floating >> mass of land. Only endermen can spawn in the end, and they spawn in large >> quantities. There's also a big dragon flying in the sky, attacking you. >> Once you enter the End, there's no way out unless you beat it. The >> enderdragon has a lot of health, and takes either a concentrated attack >> effort or a very prepared player with a good amount of time. There are >> large obsidian towers with gems that heal the enderdragon, and killing the >> enderdragon results in a rain of experience and a portal to return to the >> Overworld. It also spawns the Enderdragon Egg, a trophy to take home to >> show you beat the game. >> >> That's how you beat minecraft. It takes a lot of skill to do alone, but >> it's much easier (and much more fun!) when working together as a team. >> There's also a lot of things to translate and document; if we wanted to, we >> could try to create a lojban translation of the minecraft wiki ( >> http://minecraftwiki.net), but that's a...large and comprehensive wiki. >> >> Anyway, I really look forward to social events, and I'd love to have >> something to look forward to with lojban. I don't know of any monthly >> lojban happenings that are going on right now, but I think this might be a >> great thing, and I'd be willing and happy to take in the lead in making >> this happen if enough people are interested. I was probably most actively >> learning and speaking lojban during the time the server was up; I'd like to >> be more active again, and this is a great incentive for me, at the very >> least. I think that would be the case for others as well. I have a few >> questions: >> >> 1). Are you interested in something like this? >> 2). Do you think the once-a-month new world format is a good idea? >> 3). What times work best for you? >> 4). Do you have any suggestions for ways to make this better? >> >> Having a voicechat server while we play is also a possibility, but that >> would exclude people who don't have microphones or have to play in quiet >> areas. If enough people can do that and want to do that, though, feel free. >> There's no reason to feel intimidated by the game; there are several >> experienced players (including myself) who would be happy to help if we get >> this thing going. There's always something to do, even if you're not the >> best builder or especially good at videogames. >> >> Thoughts? >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/XCACYbF3tKwJ. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --bcaec5016057d7fcac04c7f74147 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Voice chat, for sure. Run mumble in the background.

.i m= i'e la tsani mu'o=A0

On 23 August= 2012 14:05, triliyn <trillionalyssa@gmail.com> wrote= :
I would love to participate in this at least= occasionally! I just got a microphone too, so I'd even be able to voic= e chat!


On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:28:01 PM UTC-4, Jo= nathan Strickland wrote:
I've be= en playing minecraft regularly for about 2 years. I played on the lojban.org minecraft server wh= en it was up. I've been playing with other lojbanists since that server= went down, and I know there's a lot of lojbanists that play minecraft = (or have purchased minecraft and don't play anymore) that might be inte= rested in starting to play together again.

Minecraft is by far the most social game I've played, and I feel th= e lojban community could get a lot out of it if we started taking advantage= of it again. I propose a once-a-month minecraft server that goes up for a = week (probably starting friday night) where players can work together while= speaking only lojban and try to beat the game.

Minecraft has come quite a long way since the old server was up, and I = think hosting a server once a month, with a new map each month, would encou= rage people to work together, speak and learn lojban, and grow closer as a = community while having fun. There's lots of things to do, regardless of= how you like to play. Collecting resources, farming, writing books, fighti= ng monsters, and building is the closest to lojbanistan we can get right no= w :)

One of the problems with the old server was that people would join, bui= ld things, and then not come back as often until they stopped coming back a= t all. When a server gets to be large and there isn't that much to do b= esides sustain what there already is, it's not as interesting. I think = starting a new map each month would give people the opportunity to feel inv= olved from the beginning, and keep people from being intimidated by having = to learn everything that's already been done and built. I enjoy minecra= ft the most when starting out in a new world and working with others, start= ing equally naked and helpless, and I know a lot of other people do as well= .

I also think a community wiki, with a glossary of terms and a descripti= on of how each world went and how different people contributed might be fun= . Placing maps of the worlds we've made and downloads would be trivial.= We could also post transcripts of the chatlogs, or only parts of them that= parse as valid lojban.

The biggest and most important change minecraft has had is the inclusio= n of an overarching goal.=A0 Yeah, you can actually beat minecraft now. Get= ting there is a long and open-ended process, but instead of just building t= hings that look cool, we'd be actually trying to do something! :D

If you aren't familiar with how to beat minecraft, here's how i= t works:

1). Collect obsidian by mixing water and lava.
Collectin= g obsidian usually requires a diamond pickaxe, and diamonds are one of the = rarest items in the game.

2). Build a frame with the obsidian, and light the frame on fire, openi= ng a portal to the Nether.
The Nether is a hostile, hell-like dimension.= It's much more dangerous than the Overworld, so bringing food, weapons= , and armor is important.

3). Locate a Stronghold in the Nether.
Strongholds are massive, comp= licated dungeons that have items needed for progression inside. There are s= trongholds in the Nether, and strongholds in the Overworld. Finding a stron= ghold in the Nether is usually much easier.

4). Find a blaze spawner, and collect blaze rods by killing blazes.
= Blazes are one of the toughest enemies in the game, and can rapidly shoot p= rojectiles that will light you on fire. Collecting blaze rods is usually a = team effort. They can be placed in a crafting grid to get blaze powder, or = used to craft a brewing station for potions.

5). Combine blaze powder with enderpearls to create eyes of ender.
E= ndermen are tall, dark mobs that are passive unless you look at them in the= face. They pick up blocks and move them around the world, and can teleport= . If you make them hostile, they'll come straight at you and teleport a= way after attempting to hit you for a while, coming back in a different dir= ection. Killing them drops enderpearls, which is combined with blaze powder= to create eyes of ender. Killing endermen is necessary to proceed in the g= ame. Endermen are the strongest mob in the overworld. They also take damage= when it's raining or when they're touching water.

6). Throw eyes of ender into the sky and follow where they land until y= ou reach a stronghold in the overworld.
Strongholds in the overworld are= generated underground. They generate different rooms than Nether stronghol= ds, and they have chests filled with valuable things. They're also the = only way into the End.

7). Find a portal frame inside the stronghold and place eyes of ender i= nto each of the slots.
In (most) strongholds, there is a frame of 12 blo= cks above a pool of lava. The blocks are only generated in strongholds, and= create a portal when an eye of ender is inserted into each slot. This port= al leads to the End.

8). Kill the Enderdragon, and win.
The End is the only finite map in= the game. You spawn on a large floating mass of land. Only endermen can sp= awn in the end, and they spawn in large quantities. There's also a big = dragon flying in the sky, attacking you. Once you enter the End, there'= s no way out unless you beat it. The enderdragon has a lot of health, and t= akes either a concentrated attack effort or a very prepared player with a g= ood amount of time. There are large obsidian towers with gems that heal the= enderdragon, and killing the enderdragon results in a rain of experience a= nd a portal to return to the Overworld. It also spawns the Enderdragon Egg,= a trophy to take home to show you beat the game.

That's how you beat minecraft. It takes a lot of skill to do alone,= but it's much easier (and much more fun!) when working together as a t= eam. There's also a lot of things to translate and document; if we want= ed to, we could try to create a lojban translation of the minecraft wiki (<= a href=3D"http://minecraftwiki.net" target=3D"_blank">http://minecraftwiki.= net), but that's a...large and comprehensive wiki.

Anyway, I really look forward to social events, and I'd love to hav= e something to look forward to with lojban. I don't know of any monthly= lojban happenings that are going on right now, but I think this might be a= great thing, and I'd be willing and happy to take in the lead in makin= g this happen if enough people are interested. I was probably most actively= learning and speaking lojban during the time the server was up; I'd li= ke to be more active again, and this is a great incentive for me, at the ve= ry least. I think that would be the case for others as well. I have a few q= uestions:

1). Are you interested in something like this?
2). Do you think the = once-a-month new world format is a good idea?
3). What times work best f= or you?
4). Do you have any suggestions for ways to make this better?
Having a voicechat server while we play is also a possibility, but that= would exclude people who don't have microphones or have to play in qui= et areas. If enough people can do that and want to do that, though, feel fr= ee. There's no reason to feel intimidated by the game; there are severa= l experienced players (including myself) who would be happy to help if we g= et this thing going. There's always something to do, even if you're= not the best builder or especially good at videogames.

Thoughts?

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