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No official decision will be made (Robin won't make up his mind) until
someone goes through the corpus and determine how the proposed change
affects past usage. I imagine that it may be allowable to ignore uses on
IRC, but it's not my call.

The official decision regards the following:

> In other words, going from:
>
> carna : x1 turns/rotates/revolves around axis x2 in direction x3.
>
> To:
> carna : x1 turns from x2 to x3
>
> gutni : x1 is rotating counter-clockwise viewed from orientation x2 about
> rotational axis/axes (set if multiple) x3

I believe there is still some debate over whether we should insert a place
between x1 and x2 for "right" and "left" rotational motion, or to have one
word for each, "clockwise" having the exact same place structure as
counter-clockwise, and the gismu form "ramli":

gutni : x1 is rotating clockwise viewed from orientation x2 about
rotational axis/axes (set if multiple) x3

I favor two words, myself. I don't see the point in having a place in a
relationship that can only be filled by two values.

On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 3:50 AM, la .lindar. <lindarthebard@gmail.com>wrote:

> Do we have a result yet?
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No official decision will be made (Robin won&#39;t make up his mind) until =
someone goes through the corpus and determine how the proposed change affec=
ts past usage. I imagine that it may be allowable to ignore uses on IRC, bu=
t it&#39;s not my call.<br>

<br>The official decision regards the following:<br><br>&gt; In other words=
, going from:<br>
&gt;<br>&gt; carna : x1 turns/rotates/revolves around axis x2 in direction =
x3.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; To:<br>
&gt; carna : x1 turns from x2 to x3<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; gutni : x1 is rotating counter-clockwise viewed from orientation x2 ab=
out<br>
&gt; rotational axis/axes (set if multiple) x3<br><br>I believe there is st=
ill some debate over whether we should insert a place between x1 and x2 for=
 &quot;right&quot; and &quot;left&quot; rotational motion, or to have one w=
ord for each, &quot;clockwise&quot; having the exact same place structure a=
s counter-clockwise, and the gismu form &quot;ramli&quot;:<br>
<br>gutni : x1 is rotating clockwise viewed from orientation x2 about rotat=
ional axis/axes (set if multiple) x3<br><br>I favor two words, myself. I do=
n&#39;t see the point in having a place in a relationship that can only be =
filled by two values.<br>

<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 3:50 AM, la .lindar.=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lindarthebard@gmail.com" target=3D=
"_blank">lindarthebard@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">

Do we have a result yet?

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