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On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 4:11 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

> No official decision will be made (Robin won't make up his mind) until
> someone goes through the corpus and determine how the proposed change
> affects past usage. I imagine that it may be allowable to ignore uses on
> IRC, but it's not my call.
>
> The official decision regards the following:
>
>
> > In other words, going from:
> >
> > carna : x1 turns/rotates/revolves around axis x2 in direction x3.
> >
> > To:
> > carna : x1 turns from x2 to x3
>
(^^In case it's not clear, the thing in the x2 and x3 places are what the
x1 is "facing" at that point.)


> >
> > gutni : x1 is rotating counter-clockwise viewed from orientation x2 about
> > rotational axis/axes (set if multiple) x3
>
> I believe there is still some debate over whether we should insert a place
> between x1 and x2 for "right" and "left" rotational motion, or to have one
> word for each, "clockwise" having the exact same place structure as
> counter-clockwise, and the gismu form "ramli":
>
> ramli : x1 is rotating clockwise viewed from orientation x2 about
> rotational axis/axes (set if multiple) x3
> (^^ I forgot to change the word when I copied the definition. :( )
>


> I favor two words, myself. I don't see the point in having a place in a
> relationship that can only be filled by two values.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 3:50 AM, la .lindar. <lindarthebard@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Do we have a result yet?
>>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 4:11 AM, Jonathan Jones =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank=
">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
>
No official decision will be made (Robin won&#39;t make up his mind) until =
someone goes through the corpus and determine how the proposed change affec=
ts past usage. I imagine that it may be allowable to ignore uses on IRC, bu=
t it&#39;s not my call.<br>


<br>The official decision regards the following:<div class=3D"im"><br><br>&=
gt; In other words, going from:<br>
&gt;<br>&gt; carna : x1 turns/rotates/revolves around axis x2 in direction =
x3.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; To:<br>
&gt; carna : x1 turns from x2 to x3<br></div></blockquote><div>(^^In case i=
t&#39;s not clear, the thing in the x2 and x3 places are what the x1 is &qu=
ot;facing&quot; at that point.)<br>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">
&gt;<br></div><div class=3D"im">
&gt; gutni : x1 is rotating counter-clockwise viewed from orientation x2 ab=
out<br>
&gt; rotational axis/axes (set if multiple) x3<br><br></div>I believe there=
 is still some debate over whether we should insert a place between x1 and =
x2 for &quot;right&quot; and &quot;left&quot; rotational motion, or to have=
 one word for each, &quot;clockwise&quot; having the exact same place struc=
ture as counter-clockwise, and the gismu form &quot;ramli&quot;:<br>

<br>ramli : x1 is rotating clockwise viewed from orientation x2 about rotat=
ional axis/axes (set if multiple) x3<br>(^^ I forgot to change the word whe=
n I copied the definition. :( )<br></blockquote><div>=A0</div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;=
padding-left:1ex">
I favor two words, myself. I don&#39;t see the point in having a place in a=
 relationship that can only be filled by two values.<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><=
div class=3D"h5"><br>

<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 3:50 AM, la .lindar.=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lindarthebard@gmail.com" target=3D=
"_blank">lindarthebard@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">


Do we have a result yet?

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