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On Friday, August 24, 2012 4:03:02 PM UTC+4, la .lindar. wrote:
>
> On Friday, 24 August 2012 04:25:56 UTC-7, selpa'i wrote:
>>
>>  I argue that no new gismu are needed and that {carna} can be used as 
>> is. 
>>
>
> Oh..... kay....
>  
>
>> I wrote a description of how I use carna, with a picture as an 
>> attachment. 
>> I hope it explains my point of view (no pun intended) well enough. 
>> Open the picture before reading this or it will be impossible to follow. 
>>
>
> Yeah, even if I wasn't drunk posting I couldn't understand that huge body 
> of text. If using a basic word requires collegiate or university level 
> maths/physics then I'll drop every fucking account right now and go learn 
> Volapuk just to spite all of you. If you can't phrase it so a drunk / child 
> can understand it, your idea is bad and you should feel bad. zo'o
>
I fully support la sepla'is idea of still using {carna}. But I also think 
that carna2 can and should be filled by {mi}.

"the screen rotates clockwise" = {lo tivni ku carna [mi] fi lo pritu}
"the screen rotates counterclockwise" = {lo tivni ku carna [mi] fi lo 
zunle} 

{mi} can definitely be dropped.
{pritycarna}.... etc. is another option.
la selpa'is opinion was independently worked out by me (although I 
suggested a single new gismu with another order or places (the order is 
irrelevant)). This (together with *lo ka la selpa'i ku jbocre*) hints that 
the issue is gonna be fixed soon.
Please reach Robin if you can and point him to the last la selpa'is post. 
Or start using {carna} with clarified meaning of carna2 right away. Or just 
don't fill it at all. Even with this new proposal carna2 still wont be used 
much.

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<br><br>On Friday, August 24, 2012 4:03:02 PM UTC+4, la .lindar. wrote:<blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-=
left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">On Friday, 24 August 2012 04:25:56=
 UTC-7, selpa'i  wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;=
margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
    <tt>I argue that no new gismu are needed and that {carna} can be
      used as is. <br></tt></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Oh..... k=
ay....</div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div b=
gcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"><tt>
      I wrote a description of how I use carna, with a picture as an
      attachment. <br>
      I hope it explains my point of view (no pun intended) well enough.
      <br>
      Open the picture before reading this or it will be impossible to
      follow.
</tt></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yeah, even if I wasn't drunk po=
sting I couldn't understand that huge body of text. If using a basic word r=
equires collegiate or university level maths/physics then I'll drop every f=
ucking account right now and go learn Volapuk just to spite all of you. If =
you can't phrase it so a drunk / child can understand it, your idea is bad =
and you should feel bad. zo'o</div></blockquote><div>I fully support la sep=
la'is idea of still using {carna}. But I also think that carna2 can and sho=
uld be filled by {mi}.</div><div><br></div><div>"the screen rotates clockwi=
se" =3D {lo tivni ku carna [mi] fi lo pritu}</div><div>"the screen rotates =
counterclockwise" =3D {lo tivni ku carna [mi] fi lo zunle}&nbsp;<br></div><=
div><br></div><div>{mi} can definitely be dropped.</div><div>{pritycarna}..=
.. etc. is another option.</div><div>la selpa'is opinion was independently =
worked out by me (although I suggested a single new gismu with another orde=
r or places (the order is irrelevant)). This (together with <i>lo ka la sel=
pa'i ku jbocre</i>) hints that the issue is gonna be fixed soon.</div><div>=
Please reach Robin if you can and point him to the last la selpa'is post. O=
r start using {carna} with clarified meaning of carna2 right away. Or just =
don't fill it at all. Even with this new proposal carna2 still wont be used=
 much.</div>

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